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Edm Genres? (pg. 31)
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aramis
Uh...yeah. And punk/grunge/metal/country/classical/reggae/ska/salsa/forro/chorro/samba/tango/whateverthe is not just a style of music, it's a way of life, you know? *flashes 12 chunky bejewelled gold rings and a Rolex* Like, I don't just use the music as a tampon for my complete lack of an identity - I walk, talk, shop and dress the part so that other soulless tv-educated drones will overlook my existential impotence and think I'm cool! It's not just about the brand names, baby. It's who sees you in them:wtf: |
YOu really are a reject...
It is a FACT that Hip-Hop is a culture....Rap is just part of that culture...Hip-Hop itself is not a genre...go do a Google search u twat. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subey
I'll agree with Sandstorm on this one.
Obviously there are different kinds of intelligence. You can be great at Math and terrible in art.
I think the place where a DJs is able to demonstrate his intelligencethe most clearly is with an artist cd. Sasha clearly demonstrates a lot of it with Involver as it crosses over from being a mix into a kind of aural sculpture... |
Its not even that though, it's the fact that he can control the mood of a person with it. Most cds are done just to sound cool, and such... |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
It's painfully obvious that we need to all come to to some sort of general consensus before continuing with this debate.
WHAT IS THE STANDARD THAT MUSIC MUST POSSESS IN ORDER TO QUALIFY AS "EDM"?:
1. Relies on electronic sounds and synthesizers
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2. Uses any electronic sounds or synthesizers
Pick either 1 or 2 if you wish to debate this any further and then we can proceed. |
Is electronic and can be danced to. Otherwise it's just EM. You can't dance to nu-metal (watch what kids do in rock clubs). |
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| auranaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydarnes
So does virtually EVERY form of music.
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Remove any synths from country and you still have the same music. Remove the drum machines and synths from hip-hop you usually just have the rapping left, if anything at all. I think that's the problem; you don't want it to be EDM because there's rapping involved. Well maybe I don't want eurodance to be EDM because it has cheesy vocals. :rolleyes: Or jungle because it often utilizes that godawful MC. :rolleyes:
(just to give some examples, those aren't necessarily my opinions)
EDIT: Look, you said yourself that hip-hop is a form of electronic music, which is obvious to begin with. Now, add 'dance' to that, because that's what people do. People breakdance. People dance to it in clubs. People do that booty dancing no matter how stupid you think it looks.
DO I HAVE TO ADD IT UP FOR YOU? HELLO, ARE YOU THERE? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by auranaut
DO I HAVE TO ADD IT UP FOR YOU? HELLO, ARE YOU THERE? |
He's not going to listen. I think it's perfectly obvious even to him that he has lost and is just arguing to save some face now. Get Spartan on his ass. |
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| UWM |
| Jesus, this is still going? |
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
He's not going to listen. I think it's perfectly obvious even to him that he has lost and is just arguing to save some face now. Get Spartan on his ass. |
Ooh.... Spinal Tap just sprung to mind there!:p |
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| muckluck |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
No it doesn't.
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Muckluck, you don't have to convince me of badboybill's prowess. I'm not bagging on any of them here, and I already said he's top 10 material for sure. But I've seen Mills do some pretty awesome things that absolutely kicked my ass, and at any given time often interchange his name with Hawtin's as the pinnacle of techno's precision.
Haven't listened to those mixes....but will get around to them. |
Jeah...well the point was twofold:
One, Jeff Mills trainwrecks often, and two, there are people who do it mo betta like. It's actually hard to think of (popular) DJ's who have the same quick mixing style in their sets of which to make my second point with. Ben Sims for sure as well, but I don't follow that guy...Vission I suppose...but yeah, forget the ones who are good at it. It's just hard to find any at all who do it.
Yeah almost anyone who knows what they are talking about calls Hawtin a robot for his mixing, not undeservedly. But then he doesn't throw down 40 records in 60 minutes. Like the other two. Well...at least when he's not throwing down 100 in 55 on a studio edited CD... |
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| Hydarnes |
Btw, everyone, I’m still waiting for you to choose one of the two options for identifying “EDM”. Thank you!
Yes it does. Pop and Rock both employ a marginal amount of synthesizers. I even provided you with a website clearly defining the history of electronic music and stating this very fact—- it doesn’t make them “EDM” though. If you really don't have anything more substantial to say than "no, I’m right", it’s better to not say anything at all if you expect to look reasonable. Stop arguing about semantics when you’re unwilling to face the real issues here.
Again, it’s obvious that those in support of Rap and Hip-hop being included in the “EDM” category are stubbornly unwilling to face their own double-standards. On one end they pretend to believe that the criteria for making something “EDM” is when the music relies on electronic sounds and synths, but they just as readily elide the fact that Rap and Hip-Hop DO NOT rely on electronic instruments to keep the musical style going. You can just as easily replace the background “electronic sounds” that are often used with instruments, and GUESS WHAT? You still have “Rap” folks, so guess what? It doesn’t matter how much fussing and groaning you do over it you aren’t going to change that fact. It gets even more hilarious when this argument continues to be used (ad nauseum, I might add) to avoid rock, country, pop etc from falling in the same category while while ignoring its implications toward rap. I’ve made myself very clear, and I’m really not interested in hearing vacuous denunciatory diatribe from people that can’t notice that they are on a logical merry-go-round.
| quote: | No.... classical uses instruments,
rock uses instruments,
country uses instruments,
blues uses instruments,
uhmm blue grass uses instruments,
let's see, oh yeah even Regga uses instruments...
virtually EVERY FORM OF MUSIC???? Maybe just the music you listen to... |
Surprise! So do Trance, House and Techno sometimes use instruments!! That’s not the issue here. The issue is: WHAT CONSTITUTES EDM, and obviously rap and hip-hop fail to be considered bonafide forms of “EDM”.
And btw, why such hesitation to choose choice #1 or #2. If you have good reason to object to my criteria go right ahead!
Do you consider Pop EDM btw?
| quote: | | Is electronic and can be danced to. Otherwise it's just EM. You can't dance to nu-metal (watch what kids do in rock clubs). |
I’m not interested in hearing your opinion. Just choose either option #1 or #2, or state your reasonable objections to this criterion.
| quote: | | Remove any synths from country and you still have the same music. Remove the drum machines and synths from hip-hop you usually just have the rapping left, if anything at all. I think that's the problem; you don't want it to be EDM because there's rapping involved. Well maybe I don't want eurodance to be EDM because it has cheesy vocals. Or jungle because it often utilizes that godawful MC. |
Removing the often used drum machines and synths can be easily replaced with instruments and you’ll still have rapping. So find a different argument because this one is getting awfully old, and incessantly repeating it isn’t going to make it any less false.
| quote: | | Well maybe I don't want eurodance to be EDM because it has cheesy vocals. Or jungle because it often utilizes that godawful MC |
Did you forget that rap defines itself by the “RAPPING”, not electronic sounds? Apparently so. You might also realize the frailty of your argument when you notice that Eurodance does not define itself by vocals, although it often employs them. If you take out the electronic sounds from Eurodance you don’t have eurodance anymore. Rap’s existence is not bound to electronic sounds, PERIOD (it can replace them and still have rap). You can wail all you want about it but those are the facts.
| quote: | | He's not going to listen. I think it's perfectly obvious even to him that he has lost and is just arguing to save some face now. Get Spartan on his ass. |
As soon as you offer a plausible argument I’ll be more than happy to listen, until then all of the ironic accusations in the world aren't going to save you a lick. |
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| UWM |
| It's sad when someone can't accept that they're wrong. It's equally as sad when people put 'big' words into their arguments to make themselves look 'smarter,' and hence 'more credible.' |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
It's sad when someone can't accept that they're wrong. It's equally as sad when people put 'big' words into their arguments to make themselves look 'smarter,' and hence 'more credible.' |
Ahmen Brother!
*hey its better than +1 ;) * |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
It's sad when someone can't accept that they're wrong. It's equally as sad when people put 'big' words into their arguments to make themselves look 'smarter,' and hence 'more credible.' |
You sound like you have some compelling evidence to the contrary from what I have stated. I'm most curious. I'm sure you can offer me more than a "you're wrong" without any reason at all, right?
BTW, I do apologize if my vocabulary conflicts with your comfort a bit, but please don't deny me some good reasons for your position. |
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