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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
Once again, I worked for variety stores from 2001 - 2006 selling cigarettes. I know/knew the laws and I know with absolute certainty that if you are asked for ID, you must provide it or be denied sale, pre OR post 2003.
When you say "I'll get them myself" that is an insinuation that you are going to steal them.
Was it at Forwells on Lancaster or not? |
Bring up the laws and post them if you know them so well. I researched the situation for 9 months and obtained expert advice such as from the Fraser Institute, I know the bloody situation. |
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| epicaricacy |
how much was the squirrel?
best.alt.ever.
'help me leraned fromed you. |
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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Sure, you're not in America, Mr. Ashley, but our systems are, while sometimes roughly, analogous. |
Whatever.
| quote: | | I know enough about Canada to know that and to know that you're inventing interpretation of the laws in order to suit your purposes. |
No I'm stating what i learned in 9 months of researching my court case and then some.
| quote: | | Besides, it's not as though a search through Google wouldn't clear a lot of these issues up. So, cite the letter of the law you believe applies or quiet your urge to conjecture when otherwise speaking out of turn. |
Theresa knows them, ask her, if she posts up the wrong one I can correct it for you. I did this in another thread in TA years ago.
| quote: | | You still haven't answered my erstwhile questions, Mr. Ashley, but, it would seem, that at least part of the truth which balances out your rather one-sided accounts is coming out. I await your answers. |
What question wasn't answered? |
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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
A store has the right to deny you sale of anything they ing like. |
Wrong. Unless there is a breach of law such as counterfeit tender. All goods made available to the general public must be sold without discrimination in sale. That is the law. You cannot deny sale of goods which have a fixed price and are offered to the public.
| quote: | | On "devil's night" we were specifically told to deny the sale of eggs to young kids. We were told not to sell papers, lighters or matches to anyone who was not of legal smoking age. In fact, if I feel like not selling you a ing chocolate bar, I can tell you go lick a tree and no chocolate bar for you. |
Theresa I think I recall this from the last time you posted it when this same topic came up. Also just beacuse what you did, doesn't mean it was legal. This is where you are issued, you think what you did is legal just because you did it.
| quote: | | I am 100% convinced now that this happened in the Forwells on Lancaster St. and I personally know both Tracey, Mary and Ed (the owner) since I worked at that store in 2001!! With this being said, I know without a doubt in my mind that if you leaned over the counter, you were in her space |
If you read what I wrote, I didn't lean over the counter. If you know there is a huge gap at the side that people can walk in and out of. It wasn't at the front, it was at the side.
So hmm how do you know tracy and mary tracy stated she didn't know mary in court?
| quote: | | , and that they were 100% within their rights to deny you sale AND call the police. I also know that both Tracey and Mary are reasonable people, (and conflict avoiders), who wouldn't start or cause for the sake of it. You obviously made Mary feel threatened and you didn't provide your ID. Furthermore, when the police showed up, you resisted him which provoked his reaction. |
She the assault clause above I had reasonable grounds to defend against unlawful assault on my person if unprovoked. His assualt on me was not provoked. I replied by first asking him to let go of me.
Kindly ask mary and tracy to come clean and tell the truth to the cops. End the years of lies and damage to my life.
It is indictable offence to purger it will never end. The best outcome is to be honest and try to reduce the harm caused. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
No I'm stating what i learned in 9 months of researching my court case and then some. |
A case you lost, correct? |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Bring up the laws and post them if you know them so well. I researched the situation for 9 months and obtained expert advice such as from the Fraser Institute, I know the bloody situation. |
(2) A person shall not be found to have contravened subsection (1) if it is established that the person attempted to verify that the person was at least eighteen years of age by asking for and being shown documentation prescribed for the purposes of verifying age, and believed on reasonable grounds that the documentation was authentic.
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11. No person, unless exempted by the regulations, shall sell a tobacco product by means of a display that permits a person to handle the tobacco product before paying for it.
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45. Every person who contravenes section 8, 9, 11 or 12, or any retailer who contravenes section 29, is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction
(a) for a first offence, to a fine not exceeding $3,000; and
(b) for a subsequent offence, to a fine not exceeding $50,000.
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http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/T-11.5/page-3.html
Cited DIRECTLY from the legislative code.
Oh, my, Mr. Ashley. That's a quote from the Tobacco Act.
You seem to be either fooled or prevaricating yourself into a corner. |
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| leph555 |
| but how can you argue with the voice in his head? :o |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Wrong. Unless there is a breach of law such as counterfeit tender. All goods made available to the general public must be sold without discrimination in sale. That is the law. You cannot deny sale of goods which have a fixed price and are offered to the public.
Theresa I think I recall this from the last time you posted it when this same topic came up. Also just beacuse what you did, doesn't mean it was legal. This is where you are issued, you think what you did is legal just because you did it.
If you read what I wrote, I didn't lean over the counter. If you know there is a huge gap at the side that people can walk in and out of. It wasn't at the front, it was at the side.
So hmm how do you know tracy and mary tracy stated she didn't know mary in court?
She the assault clause above I had reasonable grounds to defend against unlawful assault on my person if unprovoked. His assualt on me was not provoked. I replied by first asking him to let go of me.
Kindly ask mary and tracy to come clean and tell the truth to the cops. End the years of lies and damage to my life.
It is indictable offence to purger it will never end. The best outcome is to be honest and try to reduce the harm caused. |
Read what I write. I worked for Forwells with both Mary and Tracey. Tracey would never say she didn't know Mary... it's her ing employee (in case you didn't know, Tracey is the daughter of the owner, and the manager of the store)! And yes, I know the space you are talking about, and that space is to get into the office WHICH IS BEHIND THE COUNTER!! You are not permitted to go there. Going there is a breach of the clerks personal space and so she would have felt threatened, and I am willing to bet that she "touched you" to prevent you from grabbing the cigarettes that you said you "would get yourself". Her attempt to prevent you from stealing (which is what was implied whether that was your intention or not) or breaching her personal space, is not "assault" from the way I understand things.
"All goods made available to the general public must be sold without discrimination in sale." Cigarettes are not available to the general public.
Also, there is nothing to "recall" because I am pretty confident that this is the first time I've talked about working there.
Mary and Tracey are both good people and I know that they wouldn't do something maliciously. You were wrong. End of story. |
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| igottaknow |
Theresa why are you trying to talk sense to a moronic lunatic?
Oh Ashley. "Its your fault" |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
Theresa why are you trying to talk sense to a moronic lunatic?
Oh Ashley. "Its your fault" |
It pissed me off because I know the people that were involved. Not going to bother anymore because now I know with absolute certainty that this guy was wrong and wasn't "wrongfully persecuted". |
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