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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
That sign would mean nothing without a traffic law indicating that you were required to stop for it.
You ever seen a big H sign on a road .. it doesn't mean you need to go to a hospital. Different signs mean different things. Grow a brain, you might need it some day. |
Grow a brain. Alcohol and tobacco signs inform you of the laws. They indicate that you must be of legal age and that you must show ID when asked, regardless of whether or not someone thinks you "look" old enough. Just because someone says you look 23, doesn't mean that you are. I get told I look like I'm in my late twenties all the time, but I could still be 20 or 18 for all someone knows. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
life long effects. |
So you admit you're ed up? Now we're getting somewhere. |
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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Grow a brain. Alcohol and tobacco signs inform you of the laws. They indicate that you must be of legal age and that you must show ID |
I understand your notion but the fact is the law didn't state that. The point of sale had discretion of sale based on belief of lawful age and was require to deny sale if they doubted the person not to be legal age. That is the law. Regardless of what a sign says, it is the law that matters. The signs were advisories not liability signs, this is just the way it is.
| quote: | | when asked, regardless of whether or not someone thinks you "look" old enough. Just because someone says you look 23, doesn't mean that you are. I get told I look like I'm in my late twenties all the time, but I could still be 20 or 18 for all someone knows. |
Sorry but it is mitigated by law, and I am not required to show my legal ID to anyone except for legal purposes. The specific grounds at the time in which the point of sale could request ID was if they doubted my age to be legal for purchase which they didn't. Thus their request was without reasonable grounds. I wasn't required to show ID unless my age was in doubt. It wasn't. Is there any specific reason why you don't get this?
If this isn't the case demonstrate the laws which state the means of sale in 2004. I've read them, I know what I'm talking about. You are just stating total unfounded BS, trying to connect dots that don't connect. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Sorry but it is mitigated by law, and I am not required to show my legal ID to anyone except for legal purposes. The specific grounds at the time in which the point of sale could request ID was if they doubted my age to be legal for purchase which they didn't. Thus their request was without reasonable grounds for the inconvenience. I wasn't required to show ID unless my age was in doubt. It wasn't. Is there any specific reason why you don't get this? |
Oh, I get what you're saying. Really, I do. However, you said it yourself: you asked her, "How old do I look?" That doesn't mean that she said she thought you WERE old enough, that just means that she thought you LOOKED old enough. Those are two entirely different things. Did somebody tie you down for three years as a child and do nothing but shove paint chips down your ing throat? |
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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Oh, I get what you're saying. Really, I do. However, you said it yourself: you asked her, "How old do I look?" That doesn't mean that she said she thought you WERE old enough, that just means that she thought you LOOKED old enough. |
Actually I asked, how old do you think I am? actually you are I think right in the wording but this was very much a matter of questioning how old she believed me to be for purpose of the sale. Twice. = She was no in doubt of my age - Both times she stated 23. In court she indicated she did not believe I was under age for sale of cigarettes.
| quote: | | Those are two entirely different things. Did somebody tie you down for three years as a child and do nothing but shove paint chips down your ing throat? |
Dude if I was in wrong I wouldn't be here arguing this right now. The fact was she ed up royally on not getting the manager or providing the sale. I honestly would doubt the mental capacities of anyone who believed me to be a minor that day.
In all honestly the exact wording is a little fuzzy at this point. The point conveyed was - do I look old enough to buy cigarettes. She believed me to be 23. I was 23. What that means is you sell. Atleast then it did. Now it is do I look 25 or older? Atleasts this was the case in 2006.. it may be stricter now. |
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| idoru |
| How is it that everybody you come into contact with tells you that there's something wrong with you, yet you insist on not believing any of it? Really. How the does that make any sense to you at all? |
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| epicaricacy |
| because i could learn a thing or 2 about trolling from him. |
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| igottaknow |
| Ashely did you have a bad childhood? Were your parents messed up or did they do their best but couldn't break through the wall you built up to protect yourself from the world? I'm getting the feeling there's a long history of hurt in your past. Care to share? |
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| Capitalizt |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Criminal cases arn't trivial they have life long effects. Either you are incredibly stupid or you are severely issued psychologically. |
Bottom line: You would not have been asked for ID if she was certain of your age. She had doubts and wanted to make sure the sale was legal. Having been asked and failing to provide ID, rather than taking the SENSIBLE approach of driving 1km down the street to the next gas station for cigarettes, you decide to set off a chain of events resulting in your arrest, incarceration in a mental institute, and being declared permanently disabled by the state...basically ruining your entire life.
Brilliant. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
In all honestly the exact wording is a little fuzzy at this point. The point conveyed was - do I look old enough to buy cigarettes. She believed me to be 23. |
Yeah, the point was "conveyed" that you looked old enough, but she had no proof and no reason to believe that you were old enough. I mean, you said it your self, "the exact wording is a little fuzzy". |
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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
How is it that everybody you come into contact with tells you that there's something wrong with you, yet you insist on not believing any of it? Really. How the does that make any sense to you at all? |
Site full of drug users and a handful of very morally corrupt individuals with very low standards of ethical conduct. And not everyone states this. Fact is I'm a little out of the norm. I'm male have had long hair. .. I was mostly vegan (in a world of meat eaters), didn't drink, didn't smoke (still don't smoke, mostly don't drink except on rare occassions. Fact is I'm not the norm.. I jog - most people walk. I am not afraid of walking on grass or off the beaten trail. There are a bunch of other thigns but frankly I stand out. If it isn't how I carry myself it is how I interact, and what my values are.
I'm different. I've made enemies clearly, but the fact is, there is nothing mentally unstable about myself. I have different values, none which are unfounded. Fact is people here attack and take advantage of people. They are bad people. You are trying to create social phenomenon but most sociable people that arn't biased judgemental and haters I tend to get along with. There are frankly poeple I get along with on this board. There are however around 10 people who constantly attack me in pretty much every post I make. It demonstrates that these people "are out to get me". This isn't crazy talk it is fact.
I'm my own person. People like people to be subjected and owned. I am a threat to their continued advance of immoral and selfish conduct.
It is a small group of people here who just lump in because I've made posts that contradict their position. It is simple politics. I can't help if the losers and s attack me because they can't accept someone who doesn't believe what they beleive. They are haters. Haters attract haters. They are just ty people. |
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| epicaricacy |
| you are not the norm because you hear voices and for no other (actually a few more)reason....i don't do drugs...hi! |
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