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| Meat187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
They've stripped my humanity, they've ruined my life, frankly when the showdown comes it is here. Once blood is drawn it is a death mark. They want a killer they will get one. sometime by september there will be a violent occurence which could be fatal for one or more people. THE END. I learned over these 5 years not to take it, what I learned is ATTACK KILL DESTROY. This is coming. |
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| boris_the_bear |
| why has this thread not been pinned yet? swamper needs to place extra ads over here :gsmile: |
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| Capitalizt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Allright, let me make sure I have this right...
- Will wanted smokes
- cleark requested ID
- Will refused to give ID
- cleark refused to give smokes
- verbal altercation *appears someone called the police about here*
- police arrive
- Will attempts to steal smokes in front of clerk, manager, and police
- physical altercation with cleark
- police officer attempts to restrain Will
- physical altercation with police officer
- Will escapes officer and positions himself some distance from same
- officer commands will to surrender
- Will ignores command
- officer again commands surrender under threat of pepper spray
- Will ignores command *but pulls jacket over face*
- officer pepper sprays Will, places under arrest
- Will continues to resist but is detained
- matter goes to court, witness allegedly purgers herself (doubtful)
- Will attempts to appeal
- application to appeal rejected
- Will enters a courtroom and disrupts proceedings
- Will is again arrested
Hmmm... why do we think this guy is nuts? All the above appear to be perfectly rational actions on Will's part, no? |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
They've stripped my humanity, they've ruined my life, frankly when the showdown comes it is here. Once blood is drawn it is a death mark. They want a killer they will get one. sometime by september there will be a violent occurence which could be fatal for one or more people. THE END. I learned over these 5 years not to take it, what I learned is ATTACK KILL DESTROY. This is coming. |
| quote: | Originally posted by boris_the_bear
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He seems perfectly reasonable to me.. |
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| boris_the_bear |
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| Ania_xox |
| What the is going on in here? |
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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Allright, let me make sure I have this right...
- Will wanted smokes
- cleark requested ID
- Will refused to give ID
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I didn't have ID.
-I requested clerk state what she believed my age to be
-Clerk stated 23
-I requested clerk state what she believed my age to be
-Clerk stated 23
Only lawful for clerk to request ID if she beleived me to be under the legal age. She did not thus I had no legal obligation to produce ID.
If clerk had stated, I think you are underage, then it would of been a different situation.
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- cleark refused to give smokes
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-Clerk stated I should speak to the manager
-Clerk didn't get the manager
-I had no idea where the manager was
-Clerk started serving another customer.
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- verbal altercation *appears someone called the police about here*
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-I requested she call the police if she wasn't going to sell them to me
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- Will attempts to steal smokes in front of clerk, manager, and police
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This did not happen. I continued to communicate with the clerk until the police arrived. Someone who appeared to be the manager appeared behind the counter but said nothing the whole time.
| quote: | | - physical altercation with cleark |
There was no physical altercation except for her touching me on the shoulder.
| quote: | | - police officer attempts to restrain Will |
-Police officer called in that I was resisting arrest
-Police officer then walked over to me
=Police officer grabbed my wrist and squeezed it and stood there.
-I requested the officer let go of my wrist
- he didn't reply and continued holding my wrist.
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- physical altercation with police officer
- Will escapes officer and positions himself some distance from same
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The officer spun me around and put distance between us
| quote: | | officer commands will to surrender |
told me to get down then threatened to spray me, then sprayed me.
| quote: | | - Will ignores command |
Didn't have time to respond. Nor is get down a clear instruction. If the officer had stated lay on the floor it might have been recognized better, but get down when there is no threat to being hit with something isn't acknowledge. He handled the situation very poorly and didn't clearly communicate the situation. He gave contradictory requests. If he had indicated that I was under arrest prior to telling me to get down it would make sense however he only indicated for me to leave the premisis but was standing between me and the door, also he had grabbed my wrist then stood there, we had time to exchange words but yet all he did was grab my wrist. He didn't move to put handcuffs on me. After he stood there and didn't acknowledge or reply to my request to let go of me, I grabbed his wrist. He told me to let go, which is what led to being spun around. Since he wasn't communicating verbally I responded by indicating that I didn't like what he was doing and that it was causing me harm.
| quote: | - officer again commands surrender under threat of pepper spray
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There was no second command that he would spray me. After the first indication I put my jacket over my head. Since I didn't know what he was going to spray me with. I waited a few seconds befor lowering my jacket again to see what was going on and was immediately sprayed.
| quote: | - Will ignores command *but pulls jacket over face*
- officer pepper sprays Will, places under arrest
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Second officer arrives on scene just after I was pepper sprayed and then very pissed off. At which point they advance and tackle me handcuff me and drag me from there across the ground with my hands cuffed behind my back to the squad car parked about 30 ft away.
They search my bag and place me under arrest by informing me of the charges (Which were not the same as those in court)
=I was placed in the squad car unable to breath with my hair oils mixing with the OC spray
-the cop took statements from the witnesses and after 5 or 10 minutes then drove to the station - after rolling his window down.
-police laughed at me when I was brought in
-and water was used to remove the OC srpay - however it only took more oils from my hair into my eyes and face
-police laughed more at my pain and agony
- I was then left in the cell in pain for 3 hours when I was told i could go, I refused.
- An hour or so later I left.
| quote: | | - Will continues to resist but is detained |
- no after I was cuffed on the ground I was pretty much winded
-when we got to the squad car I called them rude
| quote: | | - matter goes to court, witness allegedly purgers herself (doubtful) |
All three prosecution summons purger. The victim Mary Kletkee stated I pushed her with both my hands but she wasn't hurt by it.
The witness Tracy stated I pushed mary
-the cop stated he made no errors in the arrest (even though he radioed in that I had resisted before I was under arrest or any contact was made between us. And that he grabbed my arm did not and did not squeeze) what he did is known as a grip test and he attempted to provoke a response after he radioed in I was resisting, which occured before he advanced to face to face contact.
| quote: | - Will attempts to appeal
- application to appeal rejected
- Will enters a courtroom and disrupts proceedings
- Will is again arrested
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I didn't disrupt the proceedings. I advanced to the front of the court and waited silently. There was nothing different then when I had previously asked for the proper courtroom of a judge when my courtroom was switched from the criminal court to the family court in my first case, even though it was posted as being in a different court room on the public posting at the front of the court.
- Judge requested that the people before the judge take a seat and they did.
-cop comes out and tell me to leave
-continues to advance and physically drags me out of the court room.
-I requested his reason for ejecting me about 3 times in the time from being in the courtroom to being pushed down the front steps of the courthouse. The cop never gave a reason for ejecting me.
- I advanced back to request the reason for the ejection
- the cop did a physical take down even though we were only speaking at the time
- charges were withdrawn and dropped while I was being tortured in Grand River.
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Hmmm... why do we think this guy is nuts? All the above appear to be perfectly rational actions on Will's part, no? |
IF people had communicated clearly the situations wouldn't have resulted how they have.
The cops were horrible in their communication. And unlawfully conducted themselves, and used unreasonable force.
If they had just requested to speak with me outside rather than ordering me and using physical force as a civil person would do the situation wouldn't have developed.
I had good reasons for what I did. I had my rights trampled on, and had no means for redress. What is nuts about this moral would you just accept your life ruined by peoples lies? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
What is nuts about this moral would you just accept your life ruined by peoples lies? |
No Will, what is nuts is that you escallated the situation to such an extreme. I would not be in a position to have my life ruined because I would have reacted rationally to the initial request for ID. |
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| LeopoldStotch |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
No Will, what is nuts is that you escallated the situation to such an extreme. I would not be in a position to have my life ruined because I would have reacted rationally to the initial request for ID. |
+1
as a matter of fact, being in the position of store clerk on the other side of the spectrum from my experience, in no way would i sell smokes to someone who does not have an ID. i would not sell smokes to someone who "looked" 40 and did not have an ID. |
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| boris_the_bear |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
I didn't have ID.
-I requested clerk state what she believed my age to be
-Clerk stated 23
-I requested clerk state what she believed my age to be
-Clerk stated 23 |
- how old do i look?
- 23
- how old do i look?
- 23
- how old do i look?
- 23
- how old do i look?
- 23
*police officer enters*
- how old do i look?
- 23
- 23
- how old do i look?
- 23
- 23
- how old do i look?
- 23
- 23
- how old do i look?
- 23
- 23 |
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| Magadansky |
| All that just because you didn't show an ID... |
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| Chris Crossland |
LMFAO!
| quote: | Originally posted by Magadansky
All that just because you didn't show an ID... |
Lol, right? Pure Genius. |
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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
No Will, what is nuts is that you escallated the situation to such an extreme. |
What extreme going before a judge? I have that right. The cop denied my request for hearing. I wasn't pushy in how I went about things in the court house. I delivered my message, and didn't disrupt the court room.
The cop didn't give a reason for ejecting me. If he had actually explained why I was ejected, I wouldn't of had a reason for asking him. Nor was there any indication when I walked over to him again that I was not allowed to be on the public courthouse property. The officer should of indicated my reason for being ejected. You are defending police incompetence and unreasonable use of force and false arrest.
You are the nut.
| quote: | | I would not be in a position to have my life ruined because I would have reacted rationally to the initial request for ID. |
Asking the clerk if she thought I was a minor was a rational response. She was irrational in not selling to me even though she believed me to be of age. At the time there was only a legal requirement to card people who were beleived to be under the age of 19. I had no legal obligation to show ID unless she believed me to be under 19. As stated above this changed to the age of 25 after my courtcase. She beleived me to be 23, thus the ID was not required for legal sale or purchase.
That was the law at the time. If this is not the case indicate otherwise, however as stated I researched it for months, and obtained advice from research professionals. |
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