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New York Yankees Thread (THIS THING OF OURS) (pg. 10)
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| Shamez214 |
| People who judge by OBP are so 2004. If you're going to use OBP as a statistic to make arguments, it would be much better to use IsoD. Chan, I kinda think that's what you're getting at and IsoD is basically a stripped down version of what you're saying. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamez214
People who judge by OBP are so 2004. If you're going to use OBP as a statistic to make arguments, it would be much better to use IsoD. Chan, I kinda think that's what you're getting at and IsoD is basically a stripped down version of what you're saying. |
please tell, what is IsoD???? I've never heard. For the kind of ball chan is talking about OPS is better than OBP. It takes into account both walks and power. |
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
please tell, what is IsoD???? I've never heard. For the kind of ball chan is talking about OPS is better than OBP. It takes into account both walks and power. |
In it's basic form, IsoD is just AVG subtracted from OBP. Someone like Manny Ramirez would have a high IsoD, while Juan Pierre's would be very low. |
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| chanman7483 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
please tell, what is IsoD???? I've never heard. For the kind of ball chan is talking about OPS is better than OBP. It takes into account both walks and power. |
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Right - the reason I was using OBP vs OPS for Drew was b/c I wanted to stress that aspect of his game. I mean, Soriano has a better OPS than Drew, but I'd rather have Drew closer to the top of the lineup because of his higher OBP... and furthermore, ISod.
But yeah... OPS is pretty much an end all for me... but that's also b/c I don't tend to get further than that, as far as looking at stats. I have, but there's just too much sh*t out there, and I think OPS is fine. |
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| kid nyce |
you ing stat whores - this over analysis simply kills the enjoyment of the game
stop deliberating over on base percentages, we aren't making the decisions on who should go where because frankly when you get that deep into the stats and rosters you lose focus of the game...it's a game you're supposed to have fun not analyze every pitcher matchup or batting order
cheering for my team thats all i'll do...
go pinstripes |
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| chanman7483 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
you ing stat whores - this over analysis simply kills the enjoyment of the game
stop deliberating over on base percentages, we aren't making the decisions on who should go where because frankly when you get that deep into the stats and rosters you lose focus of the game...it's a game you're supposed to have fun not analyze every pitcher matchup or batting order
cheering for my team thats all i'll do...
go pinstripes |
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| kid nyce |
| quote: | Originally posted by chanman7483
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at what point to a debate does this become a who-knows-the-most-about-baseball contest?
i sit here hoping this thread would turn fun but then it becomes a nerd contest or who can look up stuff the fastest.
let me throw my baseball almanac at you ... after i find it.. |
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| chanman7483 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
at what point to a debate does this become a who-knows-the-most-about-baseball contest?
i sit here hoping this thread would turn fun but then it becomes a nerd contest or who can look up stuff the fastest.
let me throw my baseball almanac at you ... after i find it.. |
You seroius? Those are the most basic stats out there - avg, obp, ops. If I'm making a point, I prefer to back it up w/ basic stats ... b/c it validates my point. Again - basic. Stats.
You may not like the basic stats we're using, but I prefer it to like JETER IS TH3 L33t, AROD SUXXXXXXXXX...that's just me though. |
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| kid nyce |
played ball for 16yrs of my life through college D2
the reason i stopped was because i didn't have any fun, it was too serious and when people get all worked up over stats i try to remind them that this game originated as a FUN sport like all sports. people start debates on forums and it loses it's fun, the fun in competition, the fun in being part of a team because a pro athlete is seen as an INDIVIDUAL, with individual stats...thats bull to me
there is no I in team
tis why i stopped caring for stats for the whole LEAGUE of players, I have my team I root for them for whoever they choose for however they play...i root for them because its fun to be a fan....NOT A FANATIC! |
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| steven-neil |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
played ball for 16yrs of my life through college D2
the reason i stopped was because i didn't have any fun, it was too serious and when people get all worked up over stats i try to remind them that this game originated as a FUN sport like all sports. people start debates on forums and it loses it's fun, the fun in competition, the fun in being part of a team because a pro athlete is seen as an INDIVIDUAL, with individual stats...thats bull to me
there is no I in team
tis why i stopped caring for stats for the whole LEAGUE of players, I have my team I root for them for whoever they choose for however they play...i root for them because its fun to be a fan....NOT A FANATIC! |
exactly,,i love the yankees win or lose...to me its just pure fun,,i love the boston V yankees rivalry and i hate the mets with a passion...as for statistics,,who gives a ???..WE'RE THE YANKEES...when my wife (red sox) starts quoting stats at me i give her 26 reasons why she should shut the up.... |
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| chanman7483 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
played ball for 16yrs of my life through college D2
the reason i stopped was because i didn't have any fun, it was too serious and when people get all worked up over stats i try to remind them that this game originated as a FUN sport like all sports. people start debates on forums and it loses it's fun, the fun in competition, the fun in being part of a team because a pro athlete is seen as an INDIVIDUAL, with individual stats...thats bull to me
there is no I in team
tis why i stopped caring for stats for the whole LEAGUE of players, I have my team I root for them for whoever they choose for however they play...i root for them because its fun to be a fan....NOT A FANATIC! |
Bottom line is that you look at stats as sucking and not fun.. while I get into stats b/c I have a passion for the game of baseball itself and stats enhances the game to me, I get a better understanding of it and whats going on. I use stats to formulate my opinions on players b/c I don't get to see baseball outside of the Yanks/Mets.
We're all Yankee fans here, so lets get back to the subject at hand..
and no, I don't see the Yanks giving up on Cano... and yes, he is not as good as we all think... I could throw out stats, but I'll skip that.
for now :) |
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| kid nyce |
i'm well aware of stats, but i dont follow them religiously to hold conversations over the intarweeb, remember i played the game through college, you want to talk about stats lol, it was a requirement for the team to have what we called the bible of the league. pitcher matchups against hitters, new players from what region playing what type of competitive ball. That's what turned me off, it was too much of a "I know what's successful and who has what weaknesses" - that part I didn't like because thats the mentality that 'only winners' have. I prefer to play without knowing, to play straight up, to play me against you, my inside four seamer against your three hole hitter with 2 on. It was fun even though he smacked me up 2 times earlier in the season, I still drilled in on a hitter not because the stats said don't do it, but because it's a challenge...something you can't experience from looking at numbers...IMHO
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i'd actually prefer to have my high OBP hitters in the bottom of the order and the contact hitters up top. |
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