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New York Yankees Thread (THIS THING OF OURS) (pg. 132)
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| phuzzyfish12 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
Ken Rosenthal is an idiot!! every year he and others predict an end to an era. How about this, the era was over in 2003!! This has been an expensive transformation, but look at the team now, it's full of kids. melke, hughes, chamberlin, kennedy, cano, wang. we also have some good kids coming up. sanchez and ohlendorf (depsite what happened at the end of the year) are both supposed to be fine pitchers. now it's just a year until we lose some heavy useless contracts. (i.e., pavano, giambi). As far a posada, he will be hard to replace, but to say we have nothing coming up is a lie. This kid in the rookie league, Jesus Montero, is a 17 year old monster. he should be our catcher in 3 years at most.
as far as rivera, let the old go. he hasn't been good for 3 years now. put chamberlin in there if he goes, and wait to pick up a closer on the market.
and i think arod is coming back. tehre's just too much texas money floating in this equation. |
LOL!!! tell it like it is! I just put it up for food for thought and the comments about A-Rod personally I think he will be back. Do I want him back still not sure about that.
As for Mo I have mixed feelings on him. Yes he is old but I think Joba still needs some time till his is ready to take over and I want Joba to be a starter anyway (jay you shut your mouth on that one).
Jorge is the only one that really concerns me, we don't have anyone to take his place, imo he is the backbone of the team and without him they would be lost.
For me I think I am just gonna grab the popcorn and watch the money fly and see how ends up in Pin Strips next year. Personally I think we need this shake up to get us back on track. |
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| hitokiri |
| well mo started as a starter before then reliever then closer so even if he is a starter now (joba) he ll go the same route as mo HA! |
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| AY STAR |
dump torre
not cause they lost this season but i just feel its time for a change
an me personaly i felt hes not the same since don zimmer left
i have a feeling he helped torre with alot of calls
as for a replacement deff go with gerardi he has experience and knows the team and is a go getter not one who will sit back and watch them lose
arod could be mvp next 10 seasons in a row but he dont do in playoffs so if he left he left if he stays then hes gona do good during season but once playoffs come dont expect him to come thru
mo i would keep he has atleast another 2 years in him
posada is a great catcher/good clutch hitter
but he runs like he has a safe strapped to his back and lacks speed thats what yankees need also these days |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by AY STAR
dump torre
not cause they lost this season but i just feel its time for a change
an me personaly i felt hes not the same since don zimmer left
i have a feeling he helped torre with alot of calls
as for a replacement deff go with gerardi he has experience and knows the team and is a go getter not one who will sit back and watch them lose
arod could be mvp next 10 seasons in a row but he dont do in playoffs so if he left he left if he stays then hes gona do good during season but once playoffs come dont expect him to come thru
mo i would keep he has atleast another 2 years in him
posada is a great catcher/good clutch hitter
but he runs like he has a safe strapped to his back and lacks speed thats what yankees need also these days |
torre needs to go because he doesn't know how to manage a game or a bullpen. he may be able to manage the media and his players, but that isn't as important. The only reason this smuck is going to the hall of fame is because he inherited derek jeter, mariano, posada, bernie, pettitte, and that great pitching staff from the late 90s. give him the athletics from the past 3 or 4 seasons and he would have run that team into the ground. i've been saying that for years and will say it until torre is gone.
since derek had an awful post season is anyone calling for his removal? DJ almost single handedly ruined game 3. lucky for him damon picked him up. also, his DP in game 4 wasn't very helpful. yankees fans have a real short memory when it doesn't come to jeter, mo, and the likes. AROD almost single handedly won game 4 of the ALDS against the twins in 2004 (BA was .421). Plus he had a hot 3 games against boston in the ALCS in 2004 until game 4 when the entire team shut down; he had a .429 BA prior to game 4. check out the headline.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/ps/y2004/home.jsp?view=min_nyy |
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| chanman7483 |
| I want ARod to come back, but I won't blame him if he doesn't. The guy was booed so much the past couple of years for not coming through in the clutch, which is true.. but people don't seem to realize we wouldn't even be in the playoffs this year if it wasn't for him. And now the same people who are booing the hell out of him want him to re-sign? If I'm Arod I say screw it and sign elsewhere... |
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| AY STAR |
jerz i give u props u know ur
but lets be real
arod does not come threw in the clutch
half of those hits he gets were either solo shot home runs or hits when no one is on base
plus last year he also dropped a few fly balls while playin the field
and if you look he still has problems catchin them
he looks scarred
thats deff a weakness of his
like i said he may be mvp in the year but playoffs he dont come threw |
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| djstopngo |
If the yankees did not have Rodriguez on the roster they would not have made the playoffs this year. You have him to thank for not finishing third in the AL East. It's that simple.
Not signing Rodriguez would be a huge mistake on the part of Cashman. He's all for wasting money on the likes of Pavano, Giambi and Wright yet stalls when he has the opportunity to write off some smart pay checks.
As long as George is firing people, he might as well show Cashman the door too imo. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by djstopngo
If the yankees did not have Rodriguez on the roster they would not have made the playoffs this year. You have him to thank for not finishing third in the AL East. It's that simple.
Not signing Rodriguez would be a huge mistake on the part of Cashman. He's all for wasting money on the likes of Pavano, Giambi and Wright yet stalls when he has the opportunity to write off some smart pay checks.
As long as George is firing people, he might as well show Cashman the door too imo. |
not to mention his $28 million bomb on clemens. why would you spend that much on him and not on arod, especially considering texas is picking up more than a 1/4th of that. (i know im beating a dead horse, but that's important). although i like what cashman has been doing recently. you're right though, if arod isn't a yankee next year, cashman needs to go. |
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| phuzzyfish12 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
not to mention his $28 million bomb on clemens. why would you spend that much on him and not on arod, especially considering texas is picking up more than a 1/4th of that. (i know im beating a dead horse, but that's important). although i like what cashman has been doing recently. you're right though, if arod isn't a yankee next year, cashman needs to go. |
cashman needs to go regardless |
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| chanman7483 |
| I think Cashman should stay... Yeah he made some questionable moves, but I think the franchise is headed in the right direction now. He could've easily traded Hughes, Melky, Cano, Kennedy, etc for the likes of Gagne and other rentals but decided to hold off. I like the current blend of young players and veterans... I see this as a good platform on which next season will start on... similiar to '96. |
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| chanman7483 |
| Also remember that if ARod opts out of his deal, the 21 million that texas is paying of the rest of ARod's contract goes away...so if he does that, I think Cashman is completely within his rights to just walk away from the table. Also, Clemens' 28 mil was pro-rated... I think the total came out to 17 or 18 mil that they actually gave him this year. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by chanman7483
Also remember that if ARod opts out of his deal, the 21 million that texas is paying of the rest of ARod's contract goes away...so if he does that, I think Cashman is completely within his rights to just walk away from the table. Also, Clemens' 28 mil was pro-rated... I think the total came out to 17 or 18 mil that they actually gave him this year. |
No, cashman should NOT leave AROD the option to walk away. if it comes to the point cashman wasn't doing his job. Right now, if cashman isn't on the phone hammering out a contract with Boras, he isn't doing his job. That is priority number 1.
As for clemens, what does it matter if it was pro rated? He received 18.5 M, which comes out to a little over $1M a start. And that's not including the 7.5M that was tacked on because of the luxury tax.
Even if arod was paid $35M a year, that would be about 216K a start. A bargain compared to Clemens. But the real cost of a $35M contract to the yankees for the first 3 years is something around $27M. So effectively, the yankees wouldn't be paying more than ARods current contract, its just that the texas portion would be in addition. At 27M the yankees would be paying about 166K a game. A serious bargain compared to Clemens. |
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