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New York Yankees Thread (THIS THING OF OURS) (pg. 8)
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| chanman7483 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj tek
thank god wright is gone then.... i mean, i didnt religiously watch yankee games past couple years but i always tend to catch wright it up like crazy.. like he would lose it mad fast and throw off the rhythm of the game... thing is, last season countless yankee games been boring as ... they would either win by a blow out or lose by mad runs...lol
berni williams yo... |
Jaret Wright did exactly what the Yankees needed him to do - kept them in games. A 4.49 ERA from your number 5 starter is nothing to complain about, especially in the AL East. And expecting nothing and getting 11 wins from the guy was a huge plus.
And about the whole Yankees fan turning into a Mets fan...I could see why - I mean I was jealous the Mets got Beltran in the first place... then with Wright and Reyes in the mix, that's a good team. But there are allegiances in sports - ones that can't be broken. You can do whatever you want obviously, but to a real Yankee fan, you're a goner, and to a real Mets fan, you're a bandwagoner.... You probably don't care, but that's the reality and you'll never be accepted in either fanbase if you tell them this story... just saying.
Cashman has done a good job this year avoiding the temptation of signing overrated guys like Zito for 120+ million dollars a year. The lessons of the past have been learned. Instead, he's passing off salary to other teams(sheff for humberto sanchez and co.), allowing our top prospects like Hughes and Clippard to get a chance to come up this season, and not panicking in light of the disappointing series vs the Tigers. Signing guys like Pettitte and possibly Clemens for short term contracts are great insurance in case the young guys aren't ready. Cashman deserves an A+ this offseason.
As far as the Yanks/Sox pitching, both are equally ty and full of question marks. Whoever ends up sucking less will end up winning the East... for all the noise Toronto always makes in the offseason, that's all it is. I really think Drew and potentially Helton are going to make the Red sox offense disgustingly good again this year... although 2b prospect Pedrioa is extremely overrated and Theo consistenly proves he is one of the most inept GMs in the game, trading Hanley Ramirez, who could've been their SS for the next 10 years, and Anibal Sanchez, who threw a no hitter last year.
The bottom line is this, and sorry for the long post - The Yankees are not a perfect team, and have tons of distractions and bad contracts. However, they are definetly moving in the right direction, with promising young players like Cano and Melky, and tons of pitching help 1 or 2 years away. They've got the veterans to keep the ship tight in ARod, Jeter, Matsui and Posada. Giambi will be the Xfactor this year.
And for whoever was (seriously or not) hating on Hai lee before... go yourself |
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| chanman7483 |
| quote: | Originally posted by steven-neil
I just wanna leave this up until vtec reinstates the original..Im currently living in Rhode Island so I have no access to YES only NESN..I've heard rumours as regards to my beloved YANKEES from friends but I cant seem to get them verified on MLB.COM... |
What rumors? |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by chanman7483
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You definately know your baseball, but you also miss the mark on several things.
First, with this whole mets/yanks thing. If you consider yourself a true yankees fan you shouldn't see his point. If the red sox looked good i'm sure you wouldn't say, 'oh i can see why some yankees fans jumped ship.' It shouldn't matter that its the same city (what if the yanks fan was from the middle of CT, and decided to change team to the sox?? it would be a geographically valid move). You are definately right about the fan reactions.
Second, bringing on old veterans for $$$$$ will not allow for young guys to get a chance. If a team is paying a pitcher 16 mil a year, you better believe that they want some production from him and will milk whatever they can get whether bad or good. Why the hell else did the yankees continually throw Kevin Brown out there when he couldn't win a HS JV game???
Third, you said the yankees are throwing money around....well...I would hardly call Igawa a cheap purchase. This guy cost the yankees around 50 million for 5 years (i think). Anyone who finished second grade can tell that his real cost was 10 million a year, not his 5 million annual contract value. What makes this deal so stupid is that this guy is unproven and even worse, in decline. His numbers have dropped every year for 3-4 years. I expect nothing from this guy. Not only that, but he also takes a spot out of the rotation to see what we have in the minors.
Fourth, Drew is a bum. This guy was supposed to be the phillies stud prospect. He's been nothing but a walking sling since inception in the league. He's had two good years, one with St Louis, and surprise, one at the end of his contract. What does that say?? Perhaps he doesn't play with everything, not a problem the Sox need with Manny.
Fifth, thanks for the insertion of your opinion about Hai Lee. It was sooo cute the way you stood up for him. It was some harmless banter because dude decided to insert an unprovoked opinion on how baseball sux. |
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| djstopngo |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
Fourth, Drew is a bum. This guy was supposed to be the phillies stud prospect. He's been nothing but a walking sling since inception in the league. He's had two good years, one with St Louis, and surprise, one at the end of his contract. What does that say?? Perhaps he doesn't play with everything, not a problem the Sox need with Manny.
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The Red Sox ranked 30th in ops from the 5th spot. If you don't think Drew (career .905 OPS) is an upgrade in this regard you're crazy. As long as we're on the subject, I'll continue to prove you wrong. He has around a .400 in obs (led the Dodgers in walks last year) and has played at least a 100 games every season (save one). Statistically, he's an upgrade from Nixon who happens to be all the more injury plagued than you make Drew out to be. Finally, Drew's no longer the staple of an offense, he won't be tied for the lead in Home Runs (as he was last year on the Dodgers) for example. He plays average ball and the Sox are better with him in the lineup. Period. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by djstopngo
The Red Sox ranked 30th in ops from the 5th spot. If you don't think Drew (career .905 OPS) is an upgrade in this regard you're crazy. As long as we're on the subject, I'll continue to prove you wrong. He has around a .400 in obs (led the Dodgers in walks last year) and has played at least a 100 games every season (save one). Statistically, he's an upgrade from Nixon who happens to be all the more injury plagued than you make Drew out to be. Finally, Drew's no longer the staple of an offense, he won't be tied for the lead in Home Runs (as he was last year on the Dodgers) for example. He plays average ball and the Sox are better with him in the lineup. Period. |
You're absolutely right. He is an upgrade from Nixon; i don't dispute that fact. Perhaps i am using the wrong words to express myself. Bum certainly is too harsh. What i am trying to say is that he is not as good as his hype. He is a good player who for some reason is tagged as a potentially great player. He will never reach that potential because he is always hurt.
The only problem i have with your post is that you cite him playing 100+ games in most of his seasons. While that is true, he only averages 118 games per season (not accounting for his first season in the bigs when he only played 14 games). That means on average he misses 44 games a year, or almost 30% of the season. That's alot of games to miss.
I don't follow the NL that much, but if JD is a natural lefty hitter and drives the ball to right/ right center field i don't see his power numbers improving at fenway. Pesky pole only helps in a limited number of circumstances. |
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
You're absolutely right. He is an upgrade from Nixon; i don't dispute that fact. Perhaps i am using the wrong words to express myself. Bum certainly is too harsh. What i am trying to say is that he is not as good as his hype. He is a good player who for some reason is tagged as a potentially great player. He will never reach that potential because he is always hurt.
The only problem i have with your post is that you cite him playing 100+ games in most of his seasons. While that is true, he only averages 118 games per season (not accounting for his first season in the bigs when he only played 14 games). That means on average he misses 44 games a year, or almost 30% of the season. That's alot of games to miss.
I don't follow the NL that much, but if JD is a natural lefty hitter and drives the ball to right/ right center field i don't see his power numbers improving at fenway. Pesky pole only helps in a limited number of circumstances. |
See... I think Drew is actually underrated now. I haven't heard one positive about him on NY talk radio this whole year, except on the Max Kellerman show. JD is a big improvement for the Sox and they reworked the contract so they can opt out if he injures his shoulder. |
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| chanman7483 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
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about me understanding where he's coming from... I just said that to be nice.
I don't have complete confidence in Pettitte to pitch 30 games this season, and well... Pavano is Pavano. But let's assume Pettitte is healthy and Igawa(who got his groove back last season) can give us a mid 4 ERA - That's Wang, Mussina, Pettitte, Igawa... and I think having that 5 slot open for a combination of Hughes and Pavano will be good for both of them - no pressure to immediately become THE GUY. I don't really pay attention to how much a guy makes to hold it against him, etc... The good thing about the posting fee is that it doesn't count against the cap...that's all that matters. So he is only costing 5 a yr when it comes to salary cap.
Drew doesn't put up the power numbers you'd expect from a top prospect but what he does do is get on base... ~.400 for his career and .436 as a career high. This is with NO PROTECTION in LA. If the Sox are smart, they will put him in the 2 hole, immediately after Youkilis...If they do this, I could def see both Manny and Ortiz having 150+ RBI, with all those runners on base. Of course, this all relies on Drew being healthy. Also, Drew's #'s have sucked b/c he's played in LA and St louis - notorious pitcher parks(per park factor ratings). Coming to Boston should def give him a boost in his #s. |
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| Vlad |
| quote: | Originally posted by chanman7483
about me understanding where he's coming from... I just said that to be nice.
I don't have complete confidence in Pettitte to pitch 30 games this season, and well... Pavano is Pavano. But let's assume Pettitte is healthy and Igawa(who got his groove back last season) can give us a mid 4 ERA - That's Wang, Mussina, Pettitte, Igawa... and I think having that 5 slot open for a combination of Hughes and Pavano will be good for both of them - no pressure to immediately become THE GUY. I don't really pay attention to how much a guy makes to hold it against him, etc... The good thing about the posting fee is that it doesn't count against the cap...that's all that matters. So he is only costing 5 a yr when it comes to salary cap. |
Thats all fine and dandy, but this is all dependent upon whether Clemens wants to sign with the Yankees. Yes, hes aged... but you cant ignore the sub-3 ERA for the past 3 years. I know, he most likely wont have a sub-3 ERA in the AL, but he will definitely be in the sub-4 area which is all the Yanks really need. I think... Hughes might end up subbing for Moose or Pettite giving an extra day of rest, and working a 6 man rotation during some periods. The Yanks mid-relief might not be amazing, but its not bad between Farnsworth, Proctor, Myers & Vizcaino. And I dont think Id want anyone else closing the show other than Mo. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
Thats all fine and dandy, ........The Yanks mid-relief might not be amazing, but its not bad between Farnsworth, Proctor, Myers & Vizcaino. And I dont think Id want anyone else closing the show other than Mo. |
Well said!!!
| quote: | Originally posted by chanman7483
.....I don't really pay attention to how much a guy makes to hold it against him, etc... The good thing about the posting fee is that it doesn't count against the cap...that's all that matters. So he is only costing 5 a yr when it comes to salary cap. |
It does matter because his 5 mil annual contract is not actually 5 million, but rather 10 million a year. In theory we could have tried the market and went after a proven pitcher for 10 million a yr. That said, it would have been tough this year with the inflated prices. The yanks bidding in could have increased the prices even more and made it that much less viable.
| quote: | Originally posted by chanman7483
If the Sox are smart, they will put him in the 2 hole, immediately after Youkilis...If they do this, I could def see both Manny and Ortiz having 150+ RBI, with all those runners on base. |
Not a good idea because his BA isn't high enough and he strikes out too much. Someone in the second spot should be a contact hitter so that he can move over the leadoff man. Plus the sox would rather have a decent hitter behind manny to give him some protection. Drew is def. better than varitek.
| quote: | Originally posted by chanman7483
Of course, this all relies on Drew being healthy. Also, Drew's #'s have sucked b/c he's played in LA and St louis - notorious pitcher parks(per park factor ratings). Coming to Boston should def give him a boost in his #s. |
Right field in boston is bigger than both Dodger stadium and the old busch stadium, and almost every homerun hit by Drew was to right field. This guy isn't going to put up better numbers at fenway.
A look at these dimensions will show that he shouldn't improve his power numbers:
Fenway - Right - 380 (pesky pole - 302); RC - 385; Center - 420
Dodger Stadium - Right - 330; RC - 385; Center - 395
Old Busch Stadium - Right - 330; RC - 372; Center - 402. |
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| Vlad |
| Whats up with Todd Helton? Is Boston still persuing this guy? |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
Whats up with Todd Helton? Is Boston still persuing this guy? |
i think he just resigned with colorado |
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| trunks1022 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
i think he just resigned with colorado |
he already had a long term deal in place with a no trade clause through 2011? something like that. he allowed the rockies to talk to whomever. red sox deal fell through because they were unwilling to give up a top prospect |
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