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New York Yankees Thread (THIS THING OF OURS) (pg. 131)
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| TranceHater |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
philadelphia has 1.5 million people, it is part of the northeast, and is probably one of the top sports towns in the country; Denver can't compete with that. |
Its more of a football town though |
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| TranceHater |
Jose Reyes vs. Derek Jeter
Thank You Jose Reyes for putting an end to the whole DEREK VS. JOSE debate. In the past month, you proved to NY why comparing yourself to Derek Jeter is completely ludicrous. When your team needed you most, you mustered up a 200 or so batting average, ty defense, and lost your spark on the base paths and helped lead your team to the largest regular season collapse in baseball history. Thank You NY METS for an entertaining two weeks! One mans horror is another mans pleasure!!!!!!!!!! Yankees in 4....... |
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| dj tek |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceHater
Jose Reyes vs. Derek Jeter
Thank You Jose Reyes for putting an end to the whole DEREK VS. JOSE debate. In the past month, you proved to NY why comparing yourself to Derek Jeter is completely ludicrous. When your team needed you most, you mustered up a 200 or so batting average, ty defense, and lost your spark on the base paths and helped lead your team to the largest regular season collapse in baseball history. Thank You NY METS for an entertaining two weeks! One mans horror is another mans pleasure!!!!!!!!!! Yankees in 4....... |
stfu dom, mets pitching ed it up just as well, maybe even moreso. plently of other batters stepped up to the plate only to see the starter or the bull pen blowing it.
i wouldnt even compare reyes to jeter, jeters a ing vet, reyes is still a ing n00b. |
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| trunks1022 |
| football and hockey season time |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by trunks1022
football and hockey season time |
more importantly, the snowboarding season is only a month and a half away. |
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| gmoney44 |
| and the next Yankee manager is....? |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by gmoney44
and the next Yankee manager is....? |
My money is on joe torre. this has been going on for years. plus the players like him because he lets them suck when they want to. Word is jorge wants him back and may not return if joe doesn't return, and same with pettitte.
but honestly, that's the least of our problems. We have 9 days to convince one of the best players in the history of the game to stay in ny. I hope cashman ponies up for this one. we have a 27 million subsidy from texas, it would be ridiculous to lose that amount. honestly though, i don't see him going anywhere else, he's obviously money hungry and the yankees are in the best position to pay big. |
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| phuzzyfish12 |
Yanks' loss may mean end of an era
Ken Rosenthal / FOXSports.com
Posted: 22 hours ago
The roll call, a boisterous Yankee Stadium tradition, took on an entirely different form Monday night after the Yankees were eliminated by the Indians.
Instead of fans in the right-field bleachers chanting the names of the Yankees' regulars, reporters moved through a grim, quiet clubhouse, assessing those who might never wear pinstripes again.
Strange as it might sound, the Indians' 6-4 victory in Game 4 of the Division Series might have been the last postseason game ever played at Yankee Stadium, which will close after next season.
The transition could be that significant, that severe.
The roll call:
Joe Torre: As promised by owner George Steinbrenner, his 12-year tenure as manager is about to end.
The Yankees are 4-13 in their last 17 postseason games. They're turning to younger players. Difficult as it is to justify, it's the right time for a change — not that Torre deserved the final kick he received from Steinbrenner, who threatened him publicly one last time before Game 3.
Here's the problem: Now the Yankees must find a replacement.
Yankees bench coach Don Mattingly, Steinbrenner's apparent preference, has never managed at any level. Joe Girardi, who spent one season with the Marlins, has never managed a veteran club. Bobby Valentine would be the polar opposite of Torre, creating headlines instead of muting them.
Classy to the end, the first thing Torre did upon appearing in the interview room was congratulate Indians manager Eric Wedge. He then spoke of his affection for his players, who rallied from a 21-29 start to win the wild card.
Asked if he wants to manage another club, Torre said, "If I have some options, I'll look at it because I'm certainly not ready to move somewhere and not do anything, I can tell you that."
One thing is certain: Torre's value to the Yankees will never be more apparent than after he is gone.
Alex Rodriguez: Mr. Opt-Out certainly isn't Mr. October, but he spoke Monday night of coming "full circle" in New York and in his relationship with Torre. As he spoke, his eyes appeared moist. But naturally, he wouldn't commit to staying with the Yankees, saying, "We'll talk about it later."
The Yankees are expected to make a strong push to keep Rodriguez, who can void the final three years of his contract within 10 days of the conclusion of the World Series. They need him for their lineup, their network and their new ballpark.
For his part, Rodriguez, 32, would be wise to sign an extension, declaring that he has unfinished business. Otherwise, he would reinforce the perception that he is a mercenary and draw additional criticism for running from New York, where he failed to achieve postseason success even after a historic regular season.
Then again, perceptions didn't matter to Rodriguez the last time he was a free agent, when he left a good situation with the Mariners to sign a record deal with the ne'er-do-well Rangers. This time, the Yankees probably can pay him more than any other franchise. But Rodriguez's agent, Scott Boras, prefers his clients' values to be determined by the open market.
In any case, A-Rod's decision on whether to stay with the Yankees will be the most pivotal moment of the off-season. The next most pivotal moment would be if he signed with another club.
Andy Pettitte: He, too, has an opt-out clause, in the form of a $16 million player option for 2008. If Pettitte, 35, declines the option, he will be by far the most attractive starting pitcher on the free-agent market.
The dismissal of Torre, one team official predicts, could have a greater impact on Pettitte than any of the other potential free agents on the roster, effectively pushing him out of New York. The promotion of Mattingly might help to alleviate the concerns of Pettitte and others. Then again, it might not.
Asked which way he is leaning, Pettitte said, "I don't know. I can't even answer that. I have no idea what I'm going to do. I can't say that (Torre's status) will factor into the decision."
Mariano Rivera: This one could get interesting. The best guess is that Rivera will be back, but he certainly seems intrigued by the idea of becoming a free agent for the first time in his career.
Rivera, who turns 38 on Nov. 29, maintained Monday night that the Yankees had their chance to sign him to an extension, but chose to wait. Now, it is his prerogative to test the market.
If Rivera wants a three-year deal, the Yankees could find a stopgap closer for one year and then make a strong push for the Twins' Joe Nathan or Angels' Francisco Rodriguez when they become free agents after next season.
Joba Chamberlain? He has only 24 innings of major-league experience, and the Yankees' stated preference is to move him back to a starting role.
If anything, the team's rotation needs might become more urgent due to the uncertainty surrounding Pettitte, the decline of Mike Mussina, even the disappointing postseason of Chien-Ming Wang.
Jorge Posada: His return, like Rivera's, no longer can be considered a sure thing. Posada, 36, stands to be the most attractive catcher on the free-agent market, a likely target for the Mets and a potential fit for the Tigers, Astros, Angels and Padres.
While Posada did not directly address his status on Monday night, he said of Torre, "Joe Torre is the best manager in baseball. It's not his fault. We had the same lineup from April until now, the same guys. He didn't hit, catch or throw."
Posada actually might be more difficult to replace than Rivera; the Yankees lack internal options, and few quality catchers are available through the free-agent and trade markets. The team could rationalize a three-year deal for Posada because of his ability to play first base and serve as a DH.
Roger Clemens: He surely is finished, isn't he? If not, he can forget about suckering the Yankees or some other club into again paying him a pro-rated portion of $28 million. Almost to a man, the Yankees say that Clemens helped save their season. But enough is enough.
One thing to keep in mind as the Yankees restructure: They will regain financial flexibility as contracts expire — Clemens after this season, first baseman Jason Giambi and reliever Kyle Farnsworth after next season, outfielders Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui after 2009.
Bobby Abreu: Probably the easiest of the Yankees' decisions. The Yankees figure to exercise their $16 million option on Abreu for next season. Teams generally like players on one-year contracts, even if they're slightly overpaid.
The final tally: A future Hall of Fame manager, three future Hall of Famer players, a high-end starting pitcher, catcher and right fielder.
Quite an end to an era.
Quite a roll call.
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| hitokiri |
| the only thing i want is cashman gone (mainly) keep torre last yr i wassay drop him but he proved he still has it, pitchin an hitting coaches they need to go (not too keen on donnie either) but thats mho |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by phuzzyfish12
Yanks' loss may mean end of an era
Ken Rosenthal / FOXSports.com
Posted: 22 hours ago
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Ken Rosenthal is an idiot!! every year he and others predict an end to an era. How about this, the era was over in 2003!! This has been an expensive transformation, but look at the team now, it's full of kids. melke, hughes, chamberlin, kennedy, cano, wang. we also have some good kids coming up. sanchez and ohlendorf (depsite what happened at the end of the year) are both supposed to be fine pitchers. now it's just a year until we lose some heavy useless contracts. (i.e., pavano, giambi). As far a posada, he will be hard to replace, but to say we have nothing coming up is a lie. This kid in the rookie league, Jesus Montero, is a 17 year old monster. he should be our catcher in 3 years at most.
as far as rivera, let the old go. he hasn't been good for 3 years now. put chamberlin in there if he goes, and wait to pick up a closer on the market.
and i think arod is coming back. tehre's just too much texas money floating in this equation. |
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