Gonna level with you here -
I still haven't seen it. The trailer kinda disgusted me. Also, I have weird memories of 70s type action-thriller flicks so that turned me off to it as well. But I guess I'll have to check it out lol
And if you say the soundtrack was awesome then that's reason enough. The soundtrack to Drive was a big part of why that ended up in my top 10 lol
WittyHandle
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Originally posted by GoSpeedGo!
C'mon, Hal, don't be such an ole grump and embrace good postmodern fun. This snobbery doesn't suit you at all.
It suits him really well, actually, and that's not an insult. Sucker Punch was visually interesting, but otherwise without value.
Yes, I read your explanation when it came out. Doesn't cut it for me.
GoSpeedGo!
Okay, I'll bite.
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Originally posted by WittyHandle
Sucker Punch was visually interesting, but otherwise without value.
This is just too reductionist. You can't say a film is "visually interesting" and then ignore how these stylistic elements relate to the whole formal system of the film and its subtext.
Even if we completely forgot about what Sucker Punch says and that it actually self-reflexively comments on the problem of male gaze and objectification of women in cinema, the movie is still very inventive in the way it's narrated. I've heard people compare it to Inception, even claiming Snyder somehow stole Nolan's idea (how meta would that be?), but notice how differently each film treats its spectator. While Inception spends lots of time doing exposition that explains how its film world works, so that the viewers could later profit from that knowledge (which is common practice in Hollywood filmmaking), Sucker Punch moves through its layers ("reality", brothel, dream sequences) only by manipulating its style and without much literal explaining. The viewer is forced to make their own hypotheses and conclusions not only about the plot, but also about the nature of the presented world. More specifically, the explanation is abstract and lies outside of the diegetic world of the film - the layers are motivated transtextually: by genre and gender conventions. The "visuals" are a part of this and help the viewer navigate through the film (notice how each layer has its own distinct style).
Sucker Punch actually has a structure of an art film, even if its thematic content hints otherwise. I wrote a pretty long neoformalist analysis on this film (not in English) that goes deeper into explaining why it is a clever self-reflexive movie, so if you're interested, I can continue.
I'm not saying that anyone has to like the film because of this but dismissing it as dumb or of little value really seems quite harsh.
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by zGoogleman
And you liked child porn, delta fag.
IGK? :gsmile:
GoSpeedGo!
On an unrelated note, I've finally seen Fellini's La Dolce Vita last night, fantastic experience. If you like European cinema and still haven't seen this classic, I highly recommend it. It's long but worth every minute.
Dj Nacht
Someone said Part 1 of Melancholia wasn't neccesary here but I forget who. Anyways, I just wanted to share my opinion and confusion on part 1.
Does Kirsten know that the end of the world was coming her entire life? She seemed to want her Father to stay because she knew it was coming right? Does she ask her mother to stay as well? I can't remember.
Also at one point I think her husband mentions that she has been getting worse. She probably knew the day was coming her entire life and only in the last few weeks or months did it all start to hit her. I could imagine that would be one hell of a ed up life and it would explain her behaviour.
LAdazeNYnights
I think it was meant to seem like she always knew it was coming. That was the one aspect of the film that annoyed me. Towards the end she was explaining to her sister how she 'knows things'.
zGoogleman
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
IGK? :gsmile:
No dumbass. You're going to get raped pretty soon, ******.
LeopoldStotch
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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch
i'm just going to leave this here ...
... and I found the short online, if anyone is interested in watching. slow in the beginning towards the middle, then starts to pick up pace. it's an alright short for a newcomwer.
Originally posted by zGoogleman
No dumbass. You're going to get raped pretty soon, ******.
:stongue:
JOHN IS THAT YOU???
LAdazeNYnights
Yo Lira,
I watched those Brazilian flicks you recommended-
"Tropa de Elite" e "Tropa de Elite 2"
they were AWESOME
the only thing i didn't like was how both of the stories were framed the exact same way - dive headfirst into a scene 3/4 into the story with the intro shot and then back track and play up to there. they both did the same thing!!
Halcyon+On+On
I still have not seen those, but I guess their director is doing the new Robocop reboot. :wtf:
