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| MeLLyMeL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Another reason the Dems are in good shape - President Bush's approval rating was released today by ARG.
Approve - 19%
Disapprove - 77%
Yes, that is a record low. Take this into account as well - 40% of the country self-identifies as Republican, and even half of THEM hate this President. |
It's obvious that Bush gave republicans a very bad name. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Another reason the Dems are in good shape - President Bush's approval rating was released today by ARG.
Approve - 19%
Disapprove - 77%
Yes, that is a record low. Take this into account as well - 40% of the country self-identifies as Republican, and even half of THEM hate this President. |
Isn't that the lowest in history? |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
I don't see what that statement has to do with November.
Vote Or Die anyone?
You can't predict that just because alot more dems came out for the primaries that the repubs won't come out in Nov.
Just like I can't predict alot of repubs are going to come out of the wood works to vote against the black candidate.
I deleted your statement about McCain being conservative when all the right wing pundits think McCain is far from that! |
nyta's sticking together. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Isn't that the lowest in history? |
He beat his own record by 5 points. Previous low was over the summer when he hit 24% approval. Nixon bottomed out at 25% before feeling the need to resign.
Dark numbers indeed. But no worries, McCain is going out of his way to reconcile his differences with the Administration and placate the RNC. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Historically it is a good indicator. Primary turnout was even in both 2000 (when it was low) and 2004 (when it was high on both sides) - the kind of asymmetry we are seeing here is usually only seen in watershed years that signify a drastic shift (1980, 1994, etc.)
In any case, the turnout on the Democratic side this year is fairly astounding, in some cases doubling previous records. Independents are voting in the Democratic primary over the Republican primary almost 2:1 - a key demographic McCain hoped to play well in.
The Republican Party leadership is very concerned -
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-de...orries-gop.html
And this after only two contests - not including the Feb. 5 states where Democratic turnout doubled Republican turnout in many instances. Polling places were running out of Democratic ballots, whereas no such reports came out of the Republican primaries. I think this is something that has the GOP leadership very concerned. There hasn't been this much agitation in the base since... well, 1994, during the Conservative Revolution.
Actually, you kind of can. The point here is this - as of right now in the primary democrats are twice as likely to vote as their republican counterparts, which demonstrates that the democratic base is more excited about their options than republicans are. That is the kind of thing that can carry over to November. The type of people who would vote against a nominee because of race, etc. are the type of people that would vote Republican anyway. That's not really a significant demographic to gauge. Moderates within both parties are much more important, and anecdotal or not, I know a lot more moderate Republicans jumping ship than moderate Dems (or even independents moving to the right).
The right wing pundits have their panties in a twist because nobody likes McCain as a person. He's a belligerent, angry old man who has more enemies among his colleagues than friends.
Look, McCain is portrayed as a media darling and maverick when he is anything but. Aside from campaign finance reform, I really challenge you to bring up one issue he could be construed as liberal on. He is slightly left of the party on immigration, but he is still to the right of center on the issue. He advocates for creationism and a constitutional amendment against gay marriage, though he doesn't flaunt his religious sentiments to justify them - this is what leads to the distrust among the conservative base that he is a 'phony' Christian.
I suggest you read this article which was printed in 2005, well before his Presidential run, in order to get a picture of the true McCain.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051212/berman |
Great stat in the first para. i just did some research on that and you seem to be on point.
as for mccain....WOW....i thought mccain was the republican who said there is no place for creationsim. i haven't been paying too much attention to him lately, but since i just read that he advocates the teaching of "intelligent design" in school, there is NO way i could even consider voting for him. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
but since i just read that he advocates the teaching of "intelligent design" in school, there is NO way i could even consider voting for him. |
This sentence should hold true for pretty much everyone in the United States. The small religious minority who actually supports this would not be able to win it for McCain |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
Haha, the people at Dailykos crack me up -
| quote: | Wow. 19%?
This is almost too drastic to believe.
That's down from a 34% approval just last month in this same poll, so it's possible there's some massive error. Or it could just be that campaign season has shown people the alternative.
John McCain should be very, very frightened since he's running for Bush's third term. |
McCain and Bush are pretty similar (high spending fueled by the expansion of the military and an aggressive foreign policy stance, legislation of morality, etc. etc.) so he really is basically running as a continuation of the same old thing we've seen for the past 8 years. Might be time for a new strategy. |
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| iammesol |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
He beat his own record by 5 points. Previous low was over the summer when he hit 24% approval. Nixon bottomed out at 25% before feeling the need to resign.
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That just makes me have even less respect for him. My God. At least Nixon had the balls to admit he was crazy. |
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| denys envy |
w00t! here's to four years of not getting done.
and frankly it's better than 8 years of ing it up, so whatever, there's a bright side to everything. |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
The small religious minority who actually supports this would not be able to win it for McCain |
This minority isnt as small as youre making it out to be. |
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
This minority isnt as small as youre making it out to be. |
+1. They pretty much decided the 04 election
I doubt the evangelicals will come out in droves to vote for McCain like they did for Dubya in 2004 |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
And yes McCain is much more conservative than he makes himself out to be. If you remember when he was running against Bush in the 2000 primaries, MCCAIN was the neocon when it came to foreign policy, and Bush was the "softer" choice. Now look at the situation we're in (although I hate to give George all the credit for it, it has most to do with who he chose for his administration).
I think people need to stop looking at McCain as a liberal Republican and start looking at his voting record and the things that have come out of his mouth over the past 15 years. |
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