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Obama, for the win. (pg. 6)
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| idoru |
| I still say that it's "Giant Douche vs. Turd Sandwich" no matter which way you slice it. Would've preferred Gravel over everyone else, but meh. Obama it is, I guess. |
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| stevebutabi |
| quote: | Originally posted by bangoSkank
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That's ing terrific. Please keep them coming! |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by bangoSkank
jesus pose? |
Aw, man, beat me to it :stongue:
Well, I've just uploaded the pic to ImageShack, in case Yahoo! replaces it for some other picture:
Time to chop it up :D |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
I still say that it's "Giant Douche vs. Turd Sandwich" no matter which way you slice it. |
haha.....that's good stuff. |
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| MeLLyMeL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
look at turnout in the Feb. 5 primary:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/20...on_super_t.html
That's a 2:1 ratio there! The Dems are energized - the GOP is not. Add to that the fact that either Hillary or Obama would have a huge fundraising head start even if this primary drags on for another month, a huge division within the Republican party and a legit threat at a third-party run by a social conservative (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23163724/), and a country where only 24% stand by the incumbent President and his Iraq War strategy, and McCain is not in a good spot in NJ any way you look at it. |
I don't see what that statement has to do with November.
Vote Or Die anyone?
You can't predict that just because alot more dems came out for the primaries that the repubs won't come out in Nov.
Just like I can't predict alot of repubs are going to come out of the wood works to vote against the black candidate.
I deleted your statement about McCain being conservative when all the right wing pundits think McCain is far from that! |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by bangoSkank
jesus pose? |
mint!
is it over yet :p it takes ages from the looks of it, although I like the idea of electing the candidate whereas we're just given the candidates for the parties & told to vote which party we want. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
mint!
is it over yet :p it takes ages from the looks of it, although I like the idea of electing the candidate whereas we're just given the candidates for the parties & told to vote which party we want. |
We're basically in the same boat, elections are pretty much a nice illusion for people in this country to be able to feel like they're electing their government. |
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| iammesol |
| Think of it like American Idol, Ian. Only the people who "call in" are corrupt white men in suits waiting for their hookers. |
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| Ian |
| so it's more like america's next top model then? :p |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
I don't see what that statement has to do with November.
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Historically it is a good indicator. Primary turnout was even in both 2000 (when it was low) and 2004 (when it was high on both sides) - the kind of asymmetry we are seeing here is usually only seen in watershed years that signify a drastic shift (1980, 1994, etc.)
In any case, the turnout on the Democratic side this year is fairly astounding, in some cases doubling previous records. Independents are voting in the Democratic primary over the Republican primary almost 2:1 - a key demographic McCain hoped to play well in.
The Republican Party leadership is very concerned -
| quote: | The huge wave of voters that turned out for the Iowa and New Hampshire Democratic contests has chilled GOP hopes for an easy congressional election cycle. In states like New Hampshire, where candidates like Sen. John Sununu are in election trouble, a big November Democratic turnout could doom Republicans, said key officials. An example: There were nearly 60,000 more votes in the New Hampshire 2008 Democratic presidential primary (about 285,000) than Sununu received in his first election bid in 2002 (about 227,000).
In other states, such as Minnesota and Louisiana, where races for some House and Senate seats are close, it could also tilt in favor of Democrats. While there is little the parties can do to affect turnout, said another GOP official, the hope is that the eventual presidential nominee will create his own momentum to offset the Democratic voter boom seen so far in the caucuses and primaries. |
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-de...orries-gop.html
And this after only two contests - not including the Feb. 5 states where Democratic turnout doubled Republican turnout in many instances. Polling places were running out of Democratic ballots, whereas no such reports came out of the Republican primaries. I think this is something that has the GOP leadership very concerned. There hasn't been this much agitation in the base since... well, 1994, during the Conservative Revolution.
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You can't predict that just because alot more dems came out for the primaries that the repubs won't come out in Nov.
Just like I can't predict alot of repubs are going to come out of the wood works to vote against the black candidate. |
Actually, you kind of can. The point here is this - as of right now in the primary democrats are twice as likely to vote as their republican counterparts, which demonstrates that the democratic base is more excited about their options than republicans are. That is the kind of thing that can carry over to November. The type of people who would vote against a nominee because of race, etc. are the type of people that would vote Republican anyway. That's not really a significant demographic to gauge. Moderates within both parties are much more important, and anecdotal or not, I know a lot more moderate Republicans jumping ship than moderate Dems (or even independents moving to the right).
| quote: | | I deleted your statement about McCain being conservative when all the right wing pundits think McCain is far from that! |
The right wing pundits have their panties in a twist because nobody likes McCain as a person. He's a belligerent, angry old man who has more enemies among his colleagues than friends.
Look, McCain is portrayed as a media darling and maverick when he is anything but. Aside from campaign finance reform, I really challenge you to bring up one issue he could be construed as liberal on. He is slightly left of the party on immigration, but he is still to the right of center on the issue. He advocates for creationism and a constitutional amendment against gay marriage, though he doesn't flaunt his religious sentiments to justify them - this is what leads to the distrust among the conservative base that he is a 'phony' Christian.
I suggest you read this article which was printed in 2005, well before his Presidential run, in order to get a picture of the true McCain.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051212/berman |
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| iammesol |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
so it's more like america's next top model then? :p |
You could say that, yes. Either way, it's rigged beyond belief. At least we actually have at least half the push towards who is actually president.  |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
I dont know if someone has brought this up yet, but Im genuinely concerned about the super-delegates. First of all, I think Billary would have to be CRAZY to accept a nomination that's against the popular vote, after they helped champion the SAME ISSUE in 2000. But in all honestly, I dont put it past her. I think shes a conniving bitch - the same conniving bitch that stole thunder from Al Gore's campaign when it was needed most.
So yeah, Im worried about that. If it does come down to the super-delegate vote, Ill probably be in Denver protesting. |
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