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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
What does all that mean? Did Obama just win? |
Unofficially he'd won a long time ago. Officially he probably won't be declared the winner until May 20... but it's more or less mathematic now. Clinton still argued that she could catch him if she won in Indiana by a lot and caught up to him in North Carolina. Instead, she waaaaay underachieved based on the (low) expectations she had set in both states. So basically, her last reasonable argument for why she should stay in the race (that she could feasible catch up) just went out the window.
She's also completely broke apparently, and barring another multi-million dollar personal loan to her own campaign, she doesn't have the money to continue. A few of her advisers have stated privately tonight that it's the end of the road. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Unofficially he'd won a long time ago. Officially he probably won't be declared the winner until May 20... but it's more or less mathematic now. Clinton still argued that she could catch him if she won in Indiana by a lot and caught up to him in North Carolina. Instead, she waaaaay underachieved based on the (low) expectations she had set in both states. So basically, her last reasonable argument for why she should stay in the race (that she could feasible catch up) just went out the window.
She's also completely broke apparently, and barring another multi-million dollar personal loan to her own campaign, she doesn't have the money to continue. A few of her advisers have stated privately tonight that it's the end of the road. |
Thanks for the run down :) Politics isn't my strong point :p
So, in your opinion, how do you think Obama will fare against McCain in the proper election?
And how come the Republican party didn't have a huge primary election -fight like the Democrats did? Or am I way off? :clown: |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
Thanks for the run down :) Politics isn't my strong point :p
So, in your opinion, how do you think Obama will fare against McCain in the proper election?
And how come the Republican party didn't have a huge primary election -fight like the Democrats did? Or am I way off? :clown: |
I think he certainly looks strong against McCain. He has a huge fundraising advantage, and also has the advantage of having been in the spotlight for the past three months while McCain hardly got noticed. There are a LOT of things about McCain that are under the surface (he's flipped on many key issues - including Iraq - and has a number of allegations of illegal campaigning to deal with) and if the Jeremiah Wright and Rezko allegations are the worst Obama has to deal with it should be a snap... that said, it never is.
The popularity for the current President and the GOP in general is at an all-time low, but McCain has been successful at duping people into thinking he is somehow unique, when in reality his views fall in line with Bush's pretty closely. It'll be a dogfight for sure, but I think in the end Obama is positioned to spread the McCain campaign pretty thin - by virtue of who he is, and the unpopularity of Bush, more states than usual are competitive, and Obama has the resources to outspend McCain all over the country.
As a general rule in the Primary, additional face time and campaign expenditures favored Obama over Hillary. There really wasn't a single state in which Hillary either expanded her lead or closed the gap once the campaigns started focusing there. Even in Pennsylvania and New Hampshire, her best states, she won by slimmer margins than originally expected when the campaign begun. If he can do the same thing against McCain, Obama will be in very good shape. |
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| XaNaX |
From the CNN story on the primaries, it looks like Clinton will continue on with her head in the sand and pretend she can still win:
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Clinton told her supporters in Indianapolis, "it's full-speed on to the White House."
The senator from New York turned her attention to the upcoming contests in West Virginia, Kentucky and Oregon.
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And further evidence supporting the point I was making earlier as to how Hillary staying in the race is dividing the Democrats and could cost Obama the election:
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According to early exit polls, half of Clinton's supporters in Indiana would not vote for Obama in a general election matchup with Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.
A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Obama, while 17 percent said they would not vote at all. Forty-eight percent of Clinton supporters said they would back Obama in November.
Obama got even less support from Clinton backers in North Carolina where 45 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for him over McCain. Thirty-eight percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for McCain while 12 percent said they would not vote.
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Obama claims the party will unite but those numbers show otherwise. Her narrow win in Indiana will probably keep Hillary in the race until after June 3rd and the superdelegates will have to decide the nomination. |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
Hillary's efforts over the past 4 months have done nothing but ensure the Democrats lose the election in November. And she isnt even going to be on the ballot. Just another reason I hate Hillary - she has this "it's me or nobody" mentality... just like she did when she ran for senate the first time.
BITCH! |
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| Ek0nomik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
And she isnt even going to be on the ballot. |
Depends on which group of voters Obama decides to carry into the GE. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by XaNaX
Clinton told her supporters in Indianapolis, "it's full-speed on to the White House."
The senator from New York turned her attention to the upcoming contests in West Virginia, Kentucky and Oregon. |
I hate to defend Clinton but, when she said that, she had a quite comfortable lead in Indiana. I like Renegade's account of what happened, and it all made sense back then. |
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| DJ Eco |
Have you guys ever, for just one second, thought about it? Do you really think Hillary dropping out now (or two months ago) would have a big impact for that big number of people you guys are saying wouldn't vote for Obama? Don't be so naive; both with racism in this country and his own character and personal flaws, stop blaming ONLY Clinton for "splitting up the party" because she's still in the race. Think for a second that, MAYBE, that 30% of Clinton-supporters that isn't voting for Obama might not have voted for him in November regardless. There's a large group of people outside of Obama supporters that don't think he's the second coming of Christ, like his supporters do (and many people on here do).
Granted, I'll be uniting under the Obama ticket in November as I wish were the case for all democrats, but stop taking the easy way out by blaming Clinton for all of this, and realize that, uh, he might not be the perfect candidate. He's not that lovable to a large percentage of this country and I hate to say it, but maybe this big % within the Dem party that says "we won't vote for Obama in November" is just a manifestation of the deep racism that lies in our country. It's their less racist version of saying "I don't want a black man as president." Not everyone is full of "hope" and "change" like the 18-25 year olds that are coming out in huge numbers for him. |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
Have you guys ever, for just one second, thought about it for a minutue? Do you really think Hillary dropping out now (or two months ago) would have a big impact for that big number of people you guys are saying wouldn't vote for Obama? Don't be so naive; both with racism in this country and his own character and personal flaws, stop blaming ONLY Clinton for "splitting up the party" because she's still in the race. Think for a second that, MAYBE, that 30% of Clinton-supporters that isn't voting for Obama might not have voted for him in November regardless. There's a large group of people outside of Obama supporters that don't think he's the second coming of Christ, like his supporters do (and many people on here do).
Granted, I'll be uniting under the Obama ticket in November as I wish were the case for all democrats, but stop taking the easy way out by blaming Clinton for all of this, and realize that, uh, he might not be the perfect candidate. He's not that lovable to a large percentage of this country and I hate to say it, but maybe this big % within the Dem party that says "we won't vote for Obama in November" is just a manifestation of the deep racism that lies in our country. It's their less racist version of saying "I don't want a black man as president." Not everyone is full of "hope" and "change" like the 18-25 year olds that are coming out in huge numbers for him. |
Aw, this is sweet. Ill try not to squash your idealism anymore. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
Have you guys ever, for just one second, thought about it for a minutue? |
Wouldn't I need at least 60 seconds then? |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Wouldn't I need at least 60 seconds then? |
LOL Yeah that came out wrong.. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
Aw, this is sweet. Ill try not to squash your idealism anymore. |
The ironic thing is that the idealism is in thinking that such-and-such amount of people aren't voting for Obama because they like Clinton too much. That discounts things like racism, ignorance, and general distrust within this country. To say those things don't exist and aren't playing a big role in this election would be as idealistic as it gets. |
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