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| robstar |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Spoken like somebody who's drank the Ron Paul Kool-Aid from the start. 
And I read the chart, there are just some glaring omissions from it.
Namely, the majority of the following:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/1...n-congress.html
Does that really sound like the voting record of a candidate trying to preserve liberty and personal freedom? And further, what specifically are you doing to preserve my liberty?
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Yes it does and you are missing the point.
Here's a good example of that:
| quote: | DISCRIMINATION
-- He has tried to make it easier for racial and ethnic discrimination in our society: |
To discriminate someone (ie not letting them enter your store or you refusing to hire them) because skin color, religion or appearance is obv a very ignorant and narrow minded thing to do.
But to force people to obey laws like that is ridiculous!
For example, a shop owner suddenly decides to ban women from entering his store.
That would be a horrible business decision and I can't see many people doing something like that. The ones that do should have that right tho!
Like I said it's sad that people chooses to discriminate, I don't like it but I can tolerate it. I can show my dislike by not doing business with people like that, I can speak up about it, educate people etc etc.
The abortion issue, I belive he thinks it's murder but it's nothing he is going to force down your throat, that's something that the states have to decide. It's obv a though question, personally I'm not really sure where I stand there. I think one should have the right to do whatever one pleases with their own body even if it's something horrible like killing a fetus. I'm not going to force that down anyones throat tho.
| quote: | | And further, what specifically are you doing to preserve my liberty? |
Absolutly nothing, it's not up to me or anyone else but up to you.
I want to live in a world where all that goverments does is serve and protect us against violence, theft and destruction of private property. You should be free to do whatever you want as long as you follow those simple rules.
Government is force from the barrel of a gun it's just that simple.
You can't do much without it's consent! Try to open a business, build a home or try to "cheat" the goverment by keeping 100% of your salary.
You are free in my world, I'm a slave in yours!
/Bob |
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| denys envy |
| aren't we all just slaves of capitalism? |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by robstar
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What the is all this hot air? |
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| robstar |
| quote: | Originally posted by denys envy
aren't we all just slaves of capitalism? |
Capitalism as in private owned companies offering services that the market(we) demands? How are you a slave to that?
Capitalism isn't a bad thing but is often used as a negetive for whatever reason. I remember learning that it was bad in school.
I was also taught that profiting was a bad thing and it certainly isn't.
Here's a little clip that's worth watching:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A
Cheers! |
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| robstar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
What the is all this hot air? |
It's love!  |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by denys envy
aren't we all just slaves of capitalism? |
ing commie, Zombie Reagen is going to get you with the REAGAN SMASH!!! |
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| denys envy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
ing commie, Zombie Reagen is going to get you with the REAGAN SMASH!!! |
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| RJT |
This is going to be a fun 2 to 3 minutes:
| quote: | Originally posted by robstar
Yes it does and you are missing the point.
Here's a good example of that:
To discriminate someone (ie not letting them enter your store or you refusing to hire them) because skin color, religion or appearance is obv a very ignorant and narrow minded thing to do.
But to force people to obey laws like that is ridiculous!
For example, a shop owner suddenly decides to ban women from entering his store.
That would be a horrible business decision and I can't see many people doing something like that. The ones that do should have that right tho!
Like I said it's sad that people chooses to discriminate, I don't like it but I can tolerate it. I can show my dislike by not doing business with people like that, I can speak up about it, educate people etc etc. |
So you're way to fight discrimination is to implement more of it? You seem pretty eager to deny women their own rights.
I also find it comical that you play the discrimination card in favor of electing another frail, pale white man to office. :stongue:
| quote: | Originally posted by robstar
The abortion issue, I belive he thinks it's murder but it's nothing he is going to force down your throat, that's something that the states have to decide. It's obv a though question, personally I'm not really sure where I stand there. I think one should have the right to do whatever one pleases with their own body even if it's something horrible like killing a fetus. I'm not going to force that down anyones throat tho. |
Well then by your own admission you disagree with Paul on this issue.
I don't tolerate anyone trying to remove someone else' civil liberties.
| quote: | Originally posted by robstar
Absolutly nothing, it's not up to me or anyone else but up to you.
I want to live in a world where all that goverments does is serve and protect us against violence, theft and destruction of private property. You should be free to do whatever you want as long as you follow those simple rules.
Government is force from the barrel of a gun it's just that simple.
You can't do much without it's consent! Try to open a business, build a home or try to "cheat" the goverment by keeping 100% of your salary.
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I'd absolutely love for you to provide textual evidence that Ron Paul is willing to let me do whatever I choose so long as I am not violent and don't steal.
Don't know what kind of fairy tale world you live in, but it must be nice.
| quote: | Originally posted by robstar
You are free in my world, I'm a slave in yours!
/Bob |
:wtf:
What in the does that even mean?
All I can seem to gather from your posts is that you know about as much about Ron Paul as the average Ron Paul Digger - it certainly does not seem to be a very well informed choice you're making. |
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| robstar |
I do not care about about your political competitions, I'm not here to bad mouth your "team" or to root for anybody. This is not a ing game! It seems to me that's how you view it and that's why you dismiss what I write so easily.
How you can misinterpret what I wrote in that way you did is beyond me.
When I saw this post I thought it was a great opportunity to shead some light on all the different candidates, as you can see on that chart they are all the same except for Paul. Now, sure you can call me a Ron Paul supporter but I much rather have you call me a liberal because that's what I am. Ron Paul happens to be a constitutionalist and we share alot of ideas about freedom and liberty.
It's not like Dr Paul came along with a bandwagon that I hoped on.
| quote: | So you're way to fight discrimination is to implement more of it? You seem pretty eager to deny women their own rights.
I also find it comical that you play the discrimination card in favor of electing another frail, pale white man to office. |
I would have hoped to get a less childish responce then this altho, I'm not suprised.
We are all born with equal rights and no one can take them away from you, no one but goverment and criminals. I'm not talking about right to work, right to healthcare or right to food. Those are not rights but services provided in the marketplace.
I'm talking about rights like freedom of choice, freedom of speech, freedom of thought. That's the idea!
I play what card now? I don't play any ing cards?
As I said, I'm not interested in your political competitions. I do not care about "your candidate". I'm not here promoting a candidate like you, a schill that probably will jump ships once again in 4 years and put his trust in another politician. I'm here promoting the idea of liberty. I'm not your enemy, I'm not on the other "team".
You can not fight discrimination by banning it, you can educate and speak your mind, people will listen maybe not all because some people refuse to change or learn but that's ok. That's their choice, you can not take away that from them! It's not the job of a politican to do that, it your job, my job your neighbors job if we so choose.
Here it is again:
1 dude owns a shop.
He hates women and people with blue eyes. He puts up a sign saying: "Woman and blueys keep out, I don't want your business!"
What he didnt realized that people in the community started talking about the biggot running the bakery. The customers stoped shopping there and soon a new bakery that allowed anyone to shop there opened up and took all of his customers. The dude had to file bankruptcy 2 months later and was out of business.
Now isnt that poetry in motion? That is real punishment and he only has himself to blame. You dont have to use force.
| quote: | Well then by your own admission you disagree with Paul on this issue.
I don't tolerate anyone trying to remove someone else' civil liberties. |
Yes of course, I disagree with him on alot of things, how can you possible agree with someone 100%? It's ok to disagree, we are after all humans not sheep, right! ;)
You don't like when someone is trying to strip you of your civil libertys huh? Me neither!!
I'm therefor confused how you can support a candidate that won't prevent that from happening.
GOD THIS IS ALOT OF GODDAMN TEXT! I'm gonna try and end it here.
I wrote, You are free in my world, I'm a slave in yours!
And you asked wtf that meant.
It means, that in the society I wish to live in, the one I discrbed in my other post. In that world, the idea of socialism that you and your candidate are promoting can be spread freely and anyone who likes global healthcare or whatever it's called nowdays are free to contribute to that by getting their salary slashed every week.
In that world your are not forcing me to obey to the rules set by a majority of the people by vote. You are forcing me to do something that I do not approve of just because 51% voted in favor of that.
Take gunlaws, I do not like guns but I sure as hell I'm glad that I'm allowed to arm and protect myself and my family. But 51% of the people don't aprove of that, so they can now stroll in and take away my right to defend myself? What happens in I don't obey? You put me in jail? I'm not a criminal! Criminals don't care about stupid gun laws!
The question isn't: Do you like guns, the question is: do you have the right to defend yourself against force and violence.
Here read the American constitution, it's pretty darn well written and it's sad it isn't used by most politicians anymore:
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1
Jesus, this is getting even longer! I need an editor! :eyes:
I'll finish with this nice little quote:
Frank Zappa
The mind is like a parachute - it works only when it is open.
Cheerios! |
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| RJT |
:stongue:
He's like the child of Spirit5 and Xeno! |
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| robstar |
That's your response? Not that I would expect a very coherent one by now hehe.
your couch dude! :) :) :) |
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| RJT |
What can I say that I haven't already?
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I don't really see what the point of any of that rant was. You quite literally sound like you're reading out of his "Ron Paul Propaganda Guidebook."
And how is my response regarding a candidate who wants to deny fundamental human rights like choice (as you say yourself), "childish"?
I was further confused by your example of a society in which everyone suddenly frowns on racism and all the bigots are run out of town.
In any event, for someone who doesn't care about our little political competition, that sure was a lot of effort.
And I cannot wait to get home to my couch and let him know what a prick you are. He's like anonymous, he never forgives, and he never forgets.
:o
Edit: And dammit, where the hell is Jeff when you really need him? :mad: |
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