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Obama, for the win. (pg. 32)
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
A wise man I knew once said that perception is reality. I think he was referring to sexual harassment in the workplace, but I think it translates well. :p |
Epistemologists would either love or hate that. :p |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Goolsbee An Expensive Indulgence?
It's hard to say whether this has any necessary connection to the NAFTA stuff. But a lot of the suspicion in liberal policy circles toward Obama centered on Goolsbee and his positions on Social Security and social insurance generally. What's ironic about the NAFTA/Goolsbee thing is Clinton's actually the candidate who's always been basically pro-NAFTA whereas Obama's the reverse. So I wonder if having Goolsbee around (who I suspect, based on other policy positions but don't specifically, is pro-NAFTA) came back to bite Obama.
Late Update: TPM Reader NBL chimes in ...
I'm an Ohio native and can tell you that many people I talked to referenced Obama's 'double talk' (their words, not mine) on NAFTA as their reason for switching to Clinton. They said they don't trust Clinton, but now they don't trust Obama either. I've always wondered what would happen if someone punctured Obama's aura of integrity and trustworthiness. I guess Ohio gave us the answer. I just never thought it would be someone on his own team that did the puncturing.
My biggest fear now is that the turf wars within the Clinton camp will lead Penn to aggressively push the idea (wrongly) that the '3AM' ad was what put them over the top. If Penn wins the battle of egos, the Clinton campaign could go hardcore negative and end up handing the presidency to McCain. I guess I should expect as much from a campaign built by people (not Clinton, her advisers) who care more about the credit and blame than on what actually works.
p.s: I was raised and went to college in Ohio. For much of that time I worked on local and statewide Democratic campaigns. Trust me when I say NAFTA is a BIG issue among Democrats there.
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Epistemologists would either love or hate that. :p |
I don't see how epistemologists could possibly hate sexual harassment... they're finally getting some! :p |
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| RJT |
To a somewhat more limited degree, I'm really, really loathing the election process right now. I have this very ominous feeling that something similar to what occurred in 2000 with the Presidential election is going to happen with the delegate situation for the Democrats this year.
I just feel like there is a good chance we could see the popular vote again be disregarded, and should there be another situation like that in my lifetime (whether Presidential elections, primaries, or any other large public election), I honestly don't think I would ever vote again. |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
The only one I saw was on CNN which had him 60/40 over Clinton.
I really don't understand how this all came down this way though - Clinton was self destructing at a record pace until this past week, and now all of a sudden she's winning two of the biggest primaries in the country... :conf: |
She wasnt self-destructing since the last debate. She went negative, and not just petty stuff like the content of his speeches. She went after some more serious dirt. And no kidding, the media gave her a LOT more attention. I dont know that it was on purpose, I just think that she was making waves.
But in the general, theres going to be a lot more dirt to sling on McCain than there is Obama. I dont think people realize that McCain WANTS Hillary to win. Its the only way he has a shot at the general. |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
| And what the . Hillary is AGAIN putting her own good in front of the good of the party. She did it when Al Gore was running and took serious momentum away from him when he needed it the most. And now shes doing it again. What a conniving BITCH. If she really believed what was coming out of her mouth, she would want the person that could BEAT MCCAIN to win this primary. |
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| denys envy |
| Am I the only Hillary supporter left on TA? |
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| Zewad |
| quote: | Originally posted by denys envy
Am I the only Hillary supporter left on TA? |
nope.. me too :D |
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| tubularbills |
| whoever wins, i'm curious as to who their running mate wil be. |
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| denys envy |
| either should pick Edwards as running mate. |
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| MeLLyMeL |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
whoever wins, i'm curious as to who their running mate wil be. |
i think i am bassing my decision off that. |
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| HardTranceProd |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
I just feel like there is a good chance we could see the popular vote again be disregarded, and should there be another situation like that in my lifetime (whether Presidential elections, primaries, or any other large public election), I honestly don't think I would ever vote again. |
lol. You think the "popular vote" ever decided anything? so naive... |
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