But it "legitimizes" her continuation of this race. The people deserve to have their voices heard and how DARE you question their "right" due to the fact that without wooing super delegates and maybe even some pledged delegates, she can't win.
HardTranceProd
I'm surprised that so many people are hatin' on Hillary.
If you think that your candidate Obama can win the general election without Florida, without Hispanic support, without women's support, you're in for a rude surprise.
Think about the future, damn it, do you want your party to lose again?
BTW, her personal qualities and approval ratings have absolutely no bearing on whether she can turn the economy around and be a good president. That's why you're seeing what you're seeing... Obama can't close the deal.
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by HardTranceProd
I'm surprised that so many peeps are hatin' on Hillary.
If you think that your candidate Obama can win the general election without Florida, without Hispanic support, without women's support, you're in for a rude surprise.
Think about the future, damn it, do you want your party to lose again?
Lol... the Democratic Party is split right now. Sure women don't vote for Obama when the alternative is a liberal WOMAN. Once Hillary drops out of the race, they'll be faced with a choice and I'm pretty comfortable they won't all run to McBush.
The big state argument is such bull - "how can Obama win a general election if he can't win a primary in Florida or Pennsylvania?" Well, by not splitting the vote with another great Democratic candidate who has 90% of the same views, that's how.
XaNaX
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Lol... the Democratic Party is split right now. Sure women don't vote for Obama when the alternative is a liberal WOMAN. Once Hillary drops out of the race, they'll be faced with a choice and I'm pretty comfortable they won't all run to McBush.
The big state argument is such bull - "how can Obama win a general election if he can't win a primary in Florida or Pennsylvania?" Well, by not splitting the vote with another great Democratic candidate who has 90% of the same views, that's how.
Hillary is just being greedy now. She has already had two terms as president while her muppet of a husband was in office, shouldn't that be enough for her? I don't care how she wants to spin it, she has lost and she is only hurting her party and increasing the divide among democrats by staying in the race. It would almost be worth her winning to see Bill Clinton in a dress in the rose garden hosting one of his First Lady functions.
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by XaNaX
Hillary is just being greedy now. She has already had two terms as president while her muppet of a husband was in office, shouldn't that be enough for her? I don't care how she wants to spin it, she has lost and she is only hurting her party and increasing the divide among democrats by staying in the race. It would almost be worth her winning to see Bill Clinton in a dress in the rose garden hosting one of his First Lady functions.
I agree, though to be fair there is a really good argument about how this primary is helping the party - by increasing grassroots activism in states that had no organization (PA and NC, etc.) and by increasing awareness of Democratic issues while John McCain sits in a corner and twiddles his thumbs. When was the last time anybody heard anything about McCain's signature issues (immigration, Iran, etc.)? The on-going primary is dictating what will be on the agenda in the early months of the general election as well, and has created a vastly superior Democratic network in states where the Republicans didn't even hold a primary.
RJT
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Originally posted by HardTranceProd
I'm surprised that so many people are hatin' on Hillary.
If you think that your candidate Obama can win the general election without Florida, without Hispanic support, without women's support, you're in for a rude surprise.
Think about the future, damn it, do you want your party to lose again?
No, which is exactly why I want Obama, and not Hilary, as the nominee.
And BTW, according to gallup polls and primary voting, Obama is doing just fine with the Hispanic population. Far better than Hilary.
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Originally posted by HardTranceProd
BTW, her personal qualities and approval ratings have absolutely no bearing on whether she can turn the economy around and be a good president.
Sure it does. She doesn't get to be president if her approval rating and personal qualities prevent her from being elected president (which, though I'm sure is shocking to you, has already happened).
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Originally posted by HardTranceProd
That's why you're seeing what you're seeing... Obama can't close the deal.
Feel free to read through Jeff's participation in this thread again, but he already has.
Anything else? I know you have a penchant for playing devils advocate.
XaNaX
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Originally posted by RJT
Sure it does. She doesn't get to be president if her approval rating and personal qualities prevent her from being elected president (which, though I'm sure is shocking to you, has already happened).
Exactly. Going up against Hillary is John McCain's dream. On primary day in my county they ran short of democrat ballots and some of the polling stations had to stay open late to give them time to deliver more ballots. Was this because democrats were coming out in huge numbers to vote? Nope, it was because a huge number of republicans were requesting democrat ballots to that they could vote for Hillary.
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by XaNaX
Exactly. Going up against Hillary is John McCain's dream. On primary day in my county they ran short of democrat ballots and some of the polling stations had to stay open late to give them time to deliver more ballots. Was this because democrats were coming out in huge numbers to vote? Nope, it was because a huge number of republicans were requesting democrat ballots to that they could vote for Hillary.
That sums up the problems with an open primary quite nicely.
Also, Obama's campaign manager today:
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Plouffe Rules Out Use Of Whitewater Or Cattle Futures Against Hillary
By Greg Sargent - April 23, 2008, 10:39AM
I noted below that it was unlikely that the Obama campaign would use Whitewater, cattle futures or any other 1990s anti-Clinton flim-flammery against Hillary in the days and weeks ahead.
Well, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe was just asked whether the campaign would be raising such stuff.
"We're not gonna do that," Plouffe said. "We have not talked about those issues in the campaign, and won't."
"You take the low road, and I'll take the high road, and I'll be in Scotland afooooooooooooooooore yeeee"
RJT
Exactly. At the end of the day she just isn't as well liked as some folks still seem to think.
Though she did earn some points with me for this...
:stongue:
Clovis
LMAO @ the track :stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
HardTranceProd
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
The big state argument is such bull - "how can Obama win a general election if he can't win a primary in Florida or Pennsylvania?" Well, by not splitting the vote with another great Democratic candidate who has 90% of the same views, that's how.
No.
The Roman Catholics (whom Obama lost by 71%) will not vote for Obama in the general election, they'll go for McCain. How is that not clear? Do I need to explain why? Say goodbye to PA and OH.
Hispanics won't vote for a black candidate, they'll rather vote for McCain. They're a bit conservative but they like the Clintons a lot more, if given the chance to vote for her. Say goodbye to FL.
Look, I don't like Clinton either, but Obama will lose to McCain.
RJT
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Originally posted by HardTranceProd
Do I need to explain why?
Yes, you do need to explain. Jeff has continuously given mountains of evidence to support his position, yet you seem to provide little more than glib commentary and assumption that stems directly from your opinion, and not fact.
Until you provide any substance at all, I'm sure that I and pretty much everyone else will either ignore or outwardly mock what you have to say.
