finally!, someone who knows that trance has carried EDM out of the 90's and through out the 2000's.... now we have this crap under new EDM and it basically sucks with LBL, ShM, Guetta, mau5.. leading the way. Its like trance and house were married at some point, now house is being a little slut and sleeping around with hip-hop elements and it is utter garbage. Last time I check Tiesto trance is what made EDM what it is now, but even his fool sold out. That bing bong, transformer... drunk noises. F'U afroWack and your crappy ass blah blah make some noise MC hype. Let the music give us energy. This guy likes hearing himself on the mic.
*House and Trance that compliments is the stuff I wanna hear. nough said.
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Originally posted by fantasyexctasy
Hahahaha.
Seriously, How could anyone claim to have good taste in music and like LBL? The guy is a DJ, his skills aren't above mediocre. You want a real DJ, go watch guys like Zabiela, Halliwell, etc. and take notes. Those guys are the real innovators that the majority of DJs rip off. LBL is just some guy who remixed every Britney Spears and Rihanna song known to man and made money off people stupid enough to think it was good. Even Markus Schulz remixed a few Top 40 songs early in his career (Backstreet Boys remixes put him on the map), but at least he shied away from it early on and went in the right direction. I'm sorry, if you claim to be an EDM fan and support what guys like SHM, LBL, Afrojack are doing, you don't care about the music.
darthseph
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Originally posted by fantasyexctasy
Your 3rd point is wrong and irrational. LBL 6 years ago and LBL now are two different people, I'm referencing LBL now. Halliwell has been on the front of innovative technology for a long time (I.e. ED-it). The guy gets to test and provide input for Pioneer all the time. To call Halliwell a basic DJ shows that either a) You don't know what you are talking about b) You're just stubborn and don't want to give me the credit that I'm correct
As far as #4, are you satisfied with the current state of EDM? If there ever has been a lower point for EDM, this would be it (In terms of the music, the scene is alive and well) Guetta, Tiesto, Afrojack and SHM have ushered in a new wave of idiots that have zero inclination to discover new music and assume that anything those DJs produce is golden. Just like dubstep, I don't understand how any one can call themself a fan of good music and like the current work those artists are flooding the charts with
To your first response... it's not irrational. You'd actually find out that Luke has done the same things that Halliwell has done for Pioneer, but that's okay if you've never. I don't expect everyone to know. Isn't that the point of their efforts? Better the product before it comes out. If you grant ignorance there, then the same could be claimed of Eddie Halliwell for me. What I've known most of from Eddie is on "Fire It Up" as a podcast and radio show. I was pissed they put him in the slot they did at EDC because he deserved better. However, I wasn't going to miss NuTone's sunrise set as Hospital Records DJs get out here even less than Eddie does. As stated, since I've never seen him live, nor am I familiar with the back catalog of his live sets. All I have to go off is what I am familiar with. What I've heard is clean mixing, but hardly anything revolutionary. He doesn't do double or more drops from my exposure. He doesn't do things you readily hear as a listener. He programs templates and what not? Awesome, but how many other DJs do the same things on their controllers and rigs? Dubfire did it on a KontrolS4 too, and I think he is a horribly boring DJ. Then again, I think the same thing of Hernan C. Hell, even the mau5 programs (he was originally a sound designer for those who don't know). People have different tastes, and that was my original point. Those tastes are personal, and the differences in taste doesn't make anyone who's successful a horrible DJ or producer. You don't like Luke, and that's cool. I don't like 99.9% of dubstep producers, but I wouldn't call them a joke. They certainly make more money than I do right now.
I don't expect house to have a warm welcome here tbh, since its a trance website. I was merely exposing a flaw I thought I saw.
To your second, I never said I was happy with EDM and the state of the music. I am a melody kid at heart, and that was one of the reason my first love of EDM is Trance. I appreciate more than just progressive and trance though. I'm into Jungle/Liquid DnB (hence the NuTone comment above.) I'm into certain styles of Electro and Breaks. Has the market turned to rubbish? In most areas, right now, I agree with you, and frankly Trance and Progressive are at fault as well. That doesn't mean that one DJ or producer is at fault. I'd blame Tijs and David well before Luke or SHM. The big names are the ones that started the trend. Hell, I'd blame Oakenfold well before those two I mentioned, or even Sasha and Digweed for leaving the sound they help grow. It sucks, but there's one thing we all forget most of the time: DJs and Musicians make a livelihood off doing what? Selling music and their image. If there good at it, it can't be a joke unless its comedic on purpose. For instance, I may hate country music, but I'd never call an artist a joke. I call a genre that has infighting artists a joke. The same can be said of Hip Hop for me.
The unfortunate thing in my opinion is that the music industry (this includes pop and rock) is at a dangerous wash point. Generic sounds are really taking over, and the market is alienating creativity. It sucks, but trust me, doing A&R for a couple of labels has really shown me how washed the market has become. SOOO many cookie cutter tracks and sounds out there are killing the market imho.
But hey, judge me for it if you like. I like Luke for the energy and dynamics he puts into his sets. It's more than I can say for so many DJs out there going through the motions. Maybe you (in the generic sense here) don't like the tracks, maybe you don't like the turntablists stylings he brings to the decks, heck maybe you have something against Electro-House... that's all taste right? What I've been trying to point out is that tastes are just tastes. We all have our likes or dislikes, and I say those who have been in the EDM scene for 10+ years stop bickering amongst ourselves and educate the masses even if the mainstream artists don't!
I've said my piece now. I've seen that this place is more than hostile to honest conversation, and is a big reason I see so many older users just becoming lurkers around here. Oh well, so much for trying to diffuse hostility.
BTW rowdy, good call on the Kryptic Minds... I miss the days of his and Leon Switch's stuff of DefCon Records.
mobius9
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DjWoody
Laidback Luke is good. There's no question about that. However, as far as being the most technical, hmm, not sure. Most of his tricks & massive build ups are already done into the track. He edits most of them and adds them to it, so when he's live, it seems like he's doing all that live when he's not. That was specially evident at XS this weekend. When he walked out on his last record, the song had massive build ups and "tricks" on it. However, LBL was not even on stage but it sounded like if he was doing them live. Unless he's the invisible DJ, they were edits. Nothing wrong with that. I do it too.
:toothless
scorpradio
I cant believe the topic at hand and that you guys are even debating it.
Who gives a what DJ is good and who is not,really.
With each new age comes a different perspective...its called evolution. In a perfect world, it would be what you want it to be...but we aren't in a perfect world and even if it was a perfect world you guys would still bitch about what perfect is.
EDM, for all intent and purpose is what it is...ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC,
To each his own..it doesn't mean its , it means you don't care for it.
Whether you like it or not, Dubstep is making a move and fast. It is a new form of sound synthesis and alot harder to create than most think[production wise]Am I on the bandwagon? No, not entirely sold...although, I have heard "some" I can digest.But, It cant be denied and by the looks, it wont be denied.
I actually didn't catch LBL's set but have seen him at Marquee, and I will tell you what, he's not freakin bad at all. He plays to the crowd and gets them going and gets them to the bar...lol
Exactly what a DJ should do. :happy2:
You guys are talking so technical as if when you listen to music you look for method and forgot how to enjoy what is actually being played.
God...what are you doing to yourselves
drEamer
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Originally posted by scorpradio
I cant believe the topic at hand and that you guys are even debating it.
Who gives a what DJ is good and who is not,really.
With each new age comes a different perspective...its called evolution. In a perfect world, it would be what you want it to be...but we aren't in a perfect world and even if it was a perfect world you guys would still bitch about what perfect is.
EDM, for all intent and purpose is what it is...ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC,
To each his own..it doesn't mean its , it means you don't care for it.
Whether you like it or not, Dubstep is making a move and fast. It is a new form of sound synthesis and alot harder to create than most think[production wise]Am I on the bandwagon? No, not entirely sold...although, I have heard "some" I can digest.But, It cant be denied and by the looks, it wont be denied.
I actually didn't catch LBL's set but have seen him at Marquee, and I will tell you what, he's not freakin bad at all. He plays to the crowd and gets them going and gets them to the bar...lol
Exactly what a DJ should do. :happy2:
You guys are talking so technical as if you when you listen to music you look for method and forgot how to enjoy what is actually being played.
God...what are you doing to yourselves
word! music is subjective, so to each persons ear and taste, it will be something else to them......
Fl1p
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Originally posted by darthseph
To your first response... it's not irrational. You'd actually find out that Luke has done the same things that Halliwell has done for Pioneer, but that's okay if you've never. I don't expect everyone to know. Isn't that the point of their efforts? Better the product before it comes out. If you grant ignorance there, then the same could be claimed of Eddie Halliwell for me. What I've known most of from Eddie is on "Fire It Up" as a podcast and radio show. I was pissed they put him in the slot they did at EDC because he deserved better. However, I wasn't going to miss NuTone's sunrise set as Hospital Records DJs get out here even less than Eddie does. As stated, since I've never seen him live, nor am I familiar with the back catalog of his live sets. All I have to go off is what I am familiar with. What I've heard is clean mixing, but hardly anything revolutionary. He doesn't do double or more drops from my exposure. He doesn't do things you readily hear as a listener. He programs templates and what not? Awesome, but how many other DJs do the same things on their controllers and rigs? Dubfire did it on a KontrolS4 too, and I think he is a horribly boring DJ. Then again, I think the same thing of Hernan C. Hell, even the mau5 programs (he was originally a sound designer for those who don't know). People have different tastes, and that was my original point. Those tastes are personal, and the differences in taste doesn't make anyone who's successful a horrible DJ or producer. You don't like Luke, and that's cool. I don't like 99.9% of dubstep producers, but I wouldn't call them a joke. They certainly make more money than I do right now.
I don't expect house to have a warm welcome here tbh, since its a trance website. I was merely exposing a flaw I thought I saw.
To your second, I never said I was happy with EDM and the state of the music. I am a melody kid at heart, and that was one of the reason my first love of EDM is Trance. I appreciate more than just progressive and trance though. I'm into Jungle/Liquid DnB (hence the NuTone comment above.) I'm into certain styles of Electro and Breaks. Has the market turned to rubbish? In most areas, right now, I agree with you, and frankly Trance and Progressive are at fault as well. That doesn't mean that one DJ or producer is at fault. I'd blame Tijs and David well before Luke or SHM. The big names are the ones that started the trend. Hell, I'd blame Oakenfold well before those two I mentioned, or even Sasha and Digweed for leaving the sound they help grow. It sucks, but there's one thing we all forget most of the time: DJs and Musicians make a livelihood off doing what? Selling music and their image. If there good at it, it can't be a joke unless its comedic on purpose. For instance, I may hate country music, but I'd never call an artist a joke. I call a genre that has infighting artists a joke. The same can be said of Hip Hop for me.
The unfortunate thing in my opinion is that the music industry (this includes pop and rock) is at a dangerous wash point. Generic sounds are really taking over, and the market is alienating creativity. It sucks, but trust me, doing A&R for a couple of labels has really shown me how washed the market has become. SOOO many cookie cutter tracks and sounds out there are killing the market imho.
But hey, judge me for it if you like. I like Luke for the energy and dynamics he puts into his sets. It's more than I can say for so many DJs out there going through the motions. Maybe you (in the generic sense here) don't like the tracks, maybe you don't like the turntablists stylings he brings to the decks, heck maybe you have something against Electro-House... that's all taste right? What I've been trying to point out is that tastes are just tastes. We all have our likes or dislikes, and I say those who have been in the EDM scene for 10+ years stop bickering amongst ourselves and educate the masses even if the mainstream artists don't!
I've said my piece now. I've seen that this place is more than hostile to honest conversation, and is a big reason I see so many older users just becoming lurkers around here. Oh well, so much for trying to diffuse hostility.
BTW rowdy, good call on the Kryptic Minds... I miss the days of his and Leon Switch's stuff of DefCon Records.
fantasyexctasy
Darthseph, I'm a liquid/jungle head too so that's the part that even further confuses me why you actually like LBL too. To each his own, I guess. As someone said, music is subjective. How were the DnB acts? That's usually the only selling point for me to ever attend any massives at this point of time.
darthseph
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Originally posted by fantasyexctasy
Darthseph, I'm a liquid/jungle head too so that's the part that even further confuses me why you actually like LBL too. To each his own, I guess. As someone said, music is subjective.
I feel in love with Luke in 2005, and still really enjoy his style of DJing and the energy he bring behind the decks. I agree that his productions can be hit or miss though. Still, his style is much more consistent than Sander van Doorn to me, who people really seem to like.
Plus, he is always up to answer questions and help me grow as an artist and DJ myself, which I appreciate wholeheartedly. He certainly doesn't have to, but he does. More than I can say for many many artists out there in general. He truly interacts with his fans of past and new.
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Originally posted by fantasyexctasy How were the DnB acts? That's usually the only selling point for me to ever attend any massives at this point of time.
TBH, most of the bassPod bored me lineup wise. I have such a dislike for Dubstep that the lineup pissed me off having so much of it. My buddy really liked Skream & Benga when he went, and said they tried to educate the crowd on "old Dubstep" (meaning not the trash put out by most artists today.) Marky THREW DOWN, and his set was pretty awesome. It was especially cool seeing all the classic heads singing LK. TC was a bit of a disappointment as well. He would play a DnB song then drop a dubstep track, but he never played tracks off the album he put out a few years back. Sub Focus Live was rad, though the light rig was just okay, and the MC was meh. Sub Focus threw the live remixes down though.
The second day, High Contrast was alright, but I was left expecting more. He just didn't give me what I was expecting I think. He wasn't bad, but his set was cut short as well. The live drum group came on stage and played for like 3 to 5 minutes and then 12th Planet came out and said, "It starts with the drums." He then went dubstep crazy and I left to see the art stuff, get water, and for Green Velvet.
I was really disappointed by Shimon, who I didn't realize had become almsot exclusively Dubstep. I wanted to hear some "Body Rock" or something, but all I got was Dubstep. Severely disappointing.
I missed Roni Size by getting there later, though I heard his set was less than good. Can't speak on others at the event though.
drEamer
Hype tore up i was told.....cant vouch for that tho
rowdy
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Originally posted by darthseph
I feel in love with Luke in 2005, and still really enjoy his style of DJing and the energy he bring behind the decks. I agree that his productions can be hit or miss though. Still, his style is much more consistent than Sander van Doorn to me, who people really seem to like.
Plus, he is always up to answer questions and help me grow as an artist and DJ myself, which I appreciate wholeheartedly. He certainly doesn't have to, but he does. More than I can say for many many artists out there in general. He truly interacts with his fans of past and new.
TBH, most of the bassPod bored me lineup wise. I have such a dislike for Dubstep that the lineup pissed me off having so much of it. My buddy really liked Skream & Benga when he went, and said they tried to educate the crowd on "old Dubstep" (meaning not the trash put out by most artists today.) Marky THREW DOWN, and his set was pretty awesome. It was especially cool seeing all the classic heads singing LK. TC was a bit of a disappointment as well. He would play a DnB song then drop a dubstep track, but he never played tracks off the album he put out a few years back. Sub Focus Live was rad, though the light rig was just okay, and the MC was meh. Sub Focus threw the live remixes down though.
The second day, High Contrast was alright, but I was left expecting more. He just didn't give me what I was expecting I think. He wasn't bad, but his set was cut short as well. The live drum group came on stage and played for like 3 to 5 minutes and then 12th Planet came out and said, "It starts with the drums." He then went dubstep crazy and I left to see the art stuff, get water, and for Green Velvet.
I was really disappointed by Shimon, who I didn't realize had become almsot exclusively Dubstep. I wanted to hear some "Body Rock" or something, but all I got was Dubstep. Severely disappointing.
I missed Roni Size by getting there later, though I heard his set was less than good. Can't speak on others at the event though.
I was ready to throw a water bottle at shimon and xample..... so tired of this me flippin them off
fantasyexctasy
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Originally posted by darthseph
I feel in love with Luke in 2005, and still really enjoy his style of DJing and the energy he bring behind the decks. I agree that his productions can be hit or miss though. Still, his style is much more consistent than Sander van Doorn to me, who people really seem to like.
Plus, he is always up to answer questions and help me grow as an artist and DJ myself, which I appreciate wholeheartedly. He certainly doesn't have to, but he does. More than I can say for many many artists out there in general. He truly interacts with his fans of past and new.
TBH, most of the bassPod bored me lineup wise. I have such a dislike for Dubstep that the lineup pissed me off having so much of it. My buddy really liked Skream & Benga when he went, and said they tried to educate the crowd on "old Dubstep" (meaning not the trash put out by most artists today.) Marky THREW DOWN, and his set was pretty awesome. It was especially cool seeing all the classic heads singing LK. TC was a bit of a disappointment as well. He would play a DnB song then drop a dubstep track, but he never played tracks off the album he put out a few years back. Sub Focus Live was rad, though the light rig was just okay, and the MC was meh. Sub Focus threw the live remixes down though.
The second day, High Contrast was alright, but I was left expecting more. He just didn't give me what I was expecting I think. He wasn't bad, but his set was cut short as well. The live drum group came on stage and played for like 3 to 5 minutes and then 12th Planet came out and said, "It starts with the drums." He then went dubstep crazy and I left to see the art stuff, get water, and for Green Velvet.
I was really disappointed by Shimon, who I didn't realize had become almsot exclusively Dubstep. I wanted to hear some "Body Rock" or something, but all I got was Dubstep. Severely disappointing.
I missed Roni Size by getting there later, though I heard his set was less than good. Can't speak on others at the event though.
Shimon and alot of those DJs are exclusively dubstep nowadays. Chase and Status turned their backs on the genre a long time ago, they even admitted saying it was "time to sellout and cash in". DnB is starting to die a slow painful death and that upsets me to know all those artists are turning their backs on their fans for a quick payday. Sigma, DJ Fresh, and the list goes on and on. I yearn for the days of LTJ and MC Conrad, but it's all a vanished memory at this point. At least Andy C is still legit, as is Danny Byrd and Dirtyphonics. Also good to see Hectix, Random Movement, Bachelor's of Science, Netsky and a slew of younger artists sticking to liquid DnB
