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Electric Daisy Carnival 2011 @ Las Vegas Motor Speedway June 24th - 26th (pg. 198)
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| lucifer1126 |
| quote: | Originally posted by fantasyexctasy
Shimon and alot of those DJs are exclusively dubstep nowadays. Chase and Status turned their backs on the genre a long time ago, they even admitted saying it was "time to sellout and cash in". DnB is starting to die a slow painful death and that upsets me to know all those artists are turning their backs on their fans for a quick payday. Sigma, DJ Fresh, and the list goes on and on. I yearn for the days of LTJ and MC Conrad, but it's all a vanished memory at this point. At least Andy C is still legit, as is Danny Byrd and Dirtyphonics. Also good to see Hectix, Random Movement, Bachelor's of Science, Netsky and a slew of younger artists sticking to liquid DnB |
^^ that makes me sad :( I'm new to DnB and I really like Andy C and Dirtyphonics. I heard some Shimon DnB production and thought he was ok, but I'm glad I missed him at EDC if you said he's now strictly dubstep.
Hopefully Fresh and Edrush/Optical will play more DnB at Audiotistic than dubstep :( |
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| Neonbeats |
| quote: | Originally posted by darthseph
Congrats on stereotyping his fans. Just saying.
I ask you to provide a more technically skilled DJ, regardless of whether you like his track selection and style choices. I don't rag on people for their tastes, but if you don't like him that's fine by me. Try to stop the negativity though please. I'm no fratboy and have probably known of Luke longer than most anyone here in the States. He's one of the coolest DJs and one of the nicest and most humble people I've met. Plus, beyond that, he's an extremely skilled turntablist and was well known for doing real live mashups, before he got into doing triple drops he tends to do today. Likewise, I've rarely seen a DJ that can match his passion and energy at the decks.
You must dislike a ton of the DJs out right now as well. Luke's the one that popularized the style back in 2007 and 2008, and its only grown thanks to SHM, Afrojack, Chuckie, and so on. "Rocking with the Best" or "Be" or "Ambition" or even "Riddim" all became huge because of his efforts.
If you don't like his style, that's cool. If you don't like the fact that Dirty Dutch is a sound style that combines Hip Hop/Top 40 and House or Electro that's cool too. Those are your choices, but I still challenge you to find a more talented DJ out there. The only guy I've seen that comes close in another style is James Zabiela when he wants to get experimental.
Maybe you can explain to me what makes him an "absolute joke." If you think it is because you don't like his music, I hardly say that qualifies. Typically an "absolute joke" is something I'd see used to describe someone like Tijs Verwest (Tiesto) or David Guetta for selling their albums out to Hip Hop and Top 40 moguls in an effort to break into mainstream American audiences. That's an absolute joke. That and their general attitude that they deserve everything that their fame now brings them.
I've not seen Luke doing that. Sure he does mashups, but he has done that for years. If you thinks it is new, you need to see what he used to due. Then again, you may not have realized that he did it back then, since he did it with mostly house and techno. like I mentioned above, he's also really humble and really interested in his fan base.
Does he cater to the big crowds at times with the Hip Hop/Top 40 mashups? Certainly, I don't doubt that at all. Believe me I heard my fair share of it at EDC, and the ensuing day and night club activities after EDC. He wasnt' the only one for sure. I've yet to see a DJ move a crowd like him though. Above and Beyond, Richie Hawtin, Umek, JoC, Patterson/Tyas, and Green Velvet did not. Neither did the bit I caught of ATB, who relies heavily on his old stuff. As a DJ, I can't see how you say he is a joke. As a producer, I can understand as he's often over a production if he doesn't finish it in roughly 4 hours. That's why he tends to not work with vocalists (at least in the past). I'm just confused of how he is a joke.
But hey, to each their own. You and DGreg don't like him or his style. I don't like Skrillex or the entire Dubstep movement, but it sure isn't stopping the masses from loving it, and it continuing to sell.
If there was one thing I heard way too much of at EDC, it was dubstep. My prediction was true, and even my friend made the observation over the three days... "I think I heard a dubstep track played at every stage." Sad day for the progressive and tech focused elements of the culture imho. Melody is a fairly missing element in a lot of dance music today, and event the most well known melodies (SHM - One) are simply when compared to things from the mid-2000's.
He did play some of the current Top 40 mashups. The Cee Lo Green "F**k You!" remix/mashup was hilarious. He also played the Swizz Beatz - "It's Me Bitches" (Metro bootleg.) My feet were absolutely dead by about 45 mins into his set so I took off. Glad to hear he pounded house later though. |
Holy wall of ing text.
Let me repeat myself. Laidback Luck ing sucks.
The fratboy comment was to describe him as a dj, not his fans. Fratboy dj as in he plays songs you would hear in a frathouse basement.
List more technically skilled djs? :stongue: How much ing time you got? I could literally list hundreds.
You use Guetta and Tiesto as examples of "jokes" as opposed to LBL because they sold out with the hip hop .........UMMMM HAVE YOU EVEN HEARD LBL LATELY???? Not only does he play top 40/hip hop mash ups....he straight up plays the original top 40/hip hop songs.
Talk about a ing delusional fanboy, wow. |
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| darthseph |
| quote: | Originally posted by fantasyexctasy
I yearn for the days of LTJ and MC Conrad, but it's all a vanished memory at this point. At least Andy C is still legit, as is Danny Byrd and Dirtyphonics. Also good to see Hectix, Random Movement, Bachelor's of Science, Netsky and a slew of younger artists sticking to liquid DnB |
I wont lie, its one of the reasons I still listen to Hospital. I've been picking up stuff on Spearhead more often over the last 5 years. That, Shogun, and then select artists like Calibre and Sub Focus. Unfortunately, Sub Focus is making more dubstep but at least it isn't all one ing breakdown held for 5 minutes. His tends to be more fidget house or at least structured.
Oh, and Brookes Brothers typically have great singles. Their album left me wanting something more or less understandable. It felt disjointed to me. At least it was artistic and varied in sound though. 14 tracks of Beautiful may have gotten a wee bit tired.
BTW lucifer, take a listen to Fresh's most recent LP if you want to hear what he sounds like today. I have a feeling you'll be sad because I expect his sound to be similar in a live set. I do miss the Fresh of old. Ed Rush & Optical may be okay still though; I don't follow Ed all too much so I can't say. |
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| darthseph |
| quote: | Originally posted by Neonbeats
List more technically skilled djs? :stongue: How much ing time you got? I could literally list hundreds.
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Still waiting apparently... you didn't mention a single name.
| quote: | Originally posted by Neonbeats
You use Guetta and Tiesto as examples of "jokes" as opposed to LBL because they sold out with the hip hop .........UMMMM HAVE YOU EVEN HEARD LBL LATELY???? Not only does he play top 40/hip hop mash ups....he straight up plays the original top 40/hip hop songs.
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Missed the complete point and only read what you wanted to. Have fun. Yes, I have heard him recently. EDC and twice in Vegas in fact. No, he didn't drop a single original Top 40 track. he sampled and overlayed sure, but he didn't suddenly drop a Top 40 track. Confusing him with Guetta? Guetta does that. In fact, Guetta has Top 40 hits.
Now I'll just leave a general observation here, because I've defended other artists and DJs here before for the same reason I pointed out before:
Everyone loves to hate those with success, regardless of talent, will, desire, work ethic, energy expended, or anything else positive I could list. I guess its normal for the "EDM society." Glad I buck that trend. The same thing has happened with Armin, Oakenfold, Sasha & Digweed, Tiesto, SHM, Above & Beyond, Sub Focus, and so on. It's so sad to see how someone once liked gets "hated" suddenly when he becomes popular in this industry.
Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion as am I. We can stay in our own circles. I'm fine with that. |
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| fantasyexctasy |
| quote: | Originally posted by darthseph
I wont lie, its one of the reasons I still listen to Hospital. I've been picking up stuff on Spearhead more often over the last 5 years. That, Shogun, and then select artists like Calibre and Sub Focus. Unfortunately, Sub Focus is making more dubstep but at least it isn't all one ing breakdown held for 5 minutes. His tends to be more fidget house or at least structured.
Oh, and Brookes Brothers typically have great singles. Their album left me wanting something more or less understandable. It felt disjointed to me. At least it was artistic and varied in sound though. 14 tracks of Beautiful may have gotten a wee bit tired.
BTW lucifer, take a listen to Fresh's most recent LP if you want to hear what he sounds like today. I have a feeling you'll be sad because I expect his sound to be similar in a live set. I do miss the Fresh of old. Ed Rush & Optical may be okay still though; I don't follow Ed all too much so I can't say. |
Hospital Records is the last legit big name label left in the scene. Danny Byrd, High Contrast, Netsky, Cyantific, NuTone and London Elektricity keep putting out banging tunes that most real fans appreciate. Their mix compilations are awesome and never dissapoint (well the Cyantific one was kind of meh lol) Their podcast is pretty good, although that PandaDnB guy from youtube somehow gets excellent mixes too. I heard Danny Byrd's Ill Behaviour in a car commercial late last year (I think it was Ford)!
As for DJ Fresh, all I can say is when I saw him last year, it was a trainwreck with all that drumstep/dubstep. His newer album had 3 or 4 decent songs and the rest was garbage dubstep . I'm 24, but maybe i'm just getting too old to understand dubstep and it's non-melodic non-rhythmical songs. |
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| Jim Carson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cool1g
by our estimate, around 80% of the djs we heard played at least 1 dubstep song :whip: |
Can't wait for Burning Man this year... Dubstep Heaven! :D |
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| system-7 |
| If Edm isn't rep'ing its form from 10 years ago.. only means hip hop died and has found its lame ass way into EDm and masses are getting all wet about this commercial crap that won't last, just like the late 90's. Please someone tell me this isn't a a repeat. I dare you, DJ Wooody.. you know what i'm talking about. Sad to see the scene die like this. Well guess well just go out like Disco, ... was nice seeing you guys. Energy .. emotion. eudphoria...... product of techno and house equals trance and proggy house aka.....sister of trance. :(......... Almost 2 decades of goodness. |
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| GPC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jim Carson
Can't wait for Burning Man this year... Dubstep Heaven! :D |
:whip: :mad: :( |
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| Neonbeats |
| quote: | Originally posted by darthseph
Still waiting apparently... you didn't mention a single name.
Missed the complete point and only read what you wanted to. Have fun. Yes, I have heard him recently. EDC and twice in Vegas in fact. No, he didn't drop a single original Top 40 track. he sampled and overlayed sure, but he didn't suddenly drop a Top 40 track. Confusing him with Guetta? Guetta does that. In fact, Guetta has Top 40 hits.
Now I'll just leave a general observation here, because I've defended other artists and DJs here before for the same reason I pointed out before:
Everyone loves to hate those with success, regardless of talent, will, desire, work ethic, energy expended, or anything else positive I could list. I guess its normal for the "EDM society." Glad I buck that trend. The same thing has happened with Armin, Oakenfold, Sasha & Digweed, Tiesto, SHM, Above & Beyond, Sub Focus, and so on. It's so sad to see how someone once liked gets "hated" suddenly when he becomes popular in this industry.
Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion as am I. We can stay in our own circles. I'm fine with that. |
Here's a quick 100 to keep you busy: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1221
Don't even try to lump LBL with those DJs you listed. The difference with Guetta and the like is that they produced house tracks that turned into top 40. LBL did it the other way around....it's a very cheap and talentless way to gain popularity by appealing to the mainstream hip hop/top 40 masses, other ty djs do this as well such as frat djs. Just come out of the closet already and profess your manlove for LBL. |
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| darthseph |
| quote: | Originally posted by Neonbeats
Here's a quick 100 to keep you busy: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1221
Don't even try to lump LBL with those DJs you listed. The difference with Guetta and the like is that they produced house tracks that turned into top 40. LBL did it the other way around....it's a very cheap and talentless way to gain popularity by appealing to the mainstream hip hop/top 40 masses, other ty djs do this as well such as frat djs. Just come out of the closet already and profess your manlove for LBL. |
LOL. You a techno head. Congrats. I find a lot of techno boring as , along with the style of DJing most Techno DJs on that list That's my taste though. RA's poll is heavily genre biased btw, but you obviously miss that. There is no progressive, house, or trance at all in that list. It's an underground lover's list, for better or worse.
As for LBL... You have obviously not heard of what he did for years before he got popular. You know who tutored him? Green Velvet. Hmm... a House/Techno guy. Interesting since that was where Luke got his start. Now maybe you've only heard of Luke since 2007. In which case, your comment makes more sense.
Luke started out as a turntablist, and competed in the DMC championship years ago. That's why he (at least I think so) has a much greater understanding of controlling a mix and a crowd. It also evolved into why he does so many mashups today (both produced and live.) Combined with the fact a number of other acts do the same thing with current house music, I don't see why you hate him so. If you think that's what Luke was, I highly suggest you find a copy of his Sensation White 2005 set. You may be surprised at the track you don't hear in it.
However, I've come to terms with it. You think he's . I think Hernan and bunch of other Techno DJs are because they have no real energy behind the decks, no sense of crowd interaction, and no concept of showmanship. Now before you get all angry about that, I already mentioned both Hawtin (plastikman - no surprise) and Velvet (very surprised) as playing good sets at EDC. Hell, Umek (no surprise) played an awesome, albeit shortened, set too. We obviously have very different constructs that we judge DJs against. |
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| utdarsenal |
btw did anyone notice if Steve Angello was actually mixing at all on friday?
I've already heard a lot of rumours going on that he pre-makes his sets a few months ago and I saw him play for about 30 minutes and it seems like he does.
No headphones, spent almost the whole time looking at the crowd-
wasn't using in-ear monitors either
I think all he does is play around with the effects & filters..
anyone else notice? |
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| Neonbeats |
| quote: | Originally posted by utdarsenal
btw did anyone notice if Steve Angello was actually mixing at all on friday?
I've already heard a lot of rumours going on that he pre-makes his sets a few months ago and I saw him play for about 30 minutes and it seems like he does.
No headphones, spent almost the whole time looking at the crowd-
wasn't using in-ear monitors either
I think all he does is play around with the effects & filters..
anyone else notice? |
highly doubt he or when they dj together actually mix, sad. |
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