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Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by Zoso
Good point on Afghanistan. I had not considered that fact.

And I would agree that state's right and fear of national government is indeed stronger in the South, potentially, but couldn't one successfully argue that the Founding Fathers felt this way, too, having fought for liberation from a strong central government? So, in a sense, I suppose I feel like those fears are indeed well placed. Again, I'm open to any interpretation and insight here.


Some of the Founding Fathers were surely skeptical of big government - Thomas Jefferson probably the most famous among them. However, definitely not all of them. Alexander Hamilton famously argued for Presidents to be elected for life, with Congress responsible only for approving the President's budgets. He wanted to unify all states into one federal unitary structure under the complete control of the President.

Most Founding Fathers were only suspicious of a centralized government to the extent that regional differences made state's right a huge issue. Fast forward to today though, and you see that state's rights aren't really held in high esteem by the conservatives at all. They wanted the federal government to interfere in the Florida Supreme Court case surrounding Terri Schaivo. They support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. They support a federal ban on abortion, and they oppose the ability of states to legislate gun control laws on their own terms. They want to increase the stature of the national military - a stark departure from the Founding Fathers who argued that state militias should keep the army in check.

The Founding Fathers weren't worried about a state looking out for the welfare of its citizens - they were were worried about a federal government that erased the differences between states (namely slavery, but I digress).
wotyzoid
It makes me angry the fact that most Americans cringe of hearing the world communism. Communism is actually a great theory on paper; problem is execution.
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Clovis
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Originally posted by RJT


Not to mention the fact that the republicans have been pushing the idea that anything left of their center = socialist.

Anyone with half a brain who can read up on socialism knows this just isn't the case...
verndogs
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Originally posted by wotyzoid
It makes me angry the fact that most Americans cringe of hearing the world communism. Communism is actually a great theory on paper; problem is that it doesn't work in practice


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Clovis
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Originally posted by verndogs
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Yeah because capitalism is working out ing great for us right now innit? :stongue:
wotyzoid
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Originally posted by verndogs
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oh don't generalize.
verndogs
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Originally posted by wotyzoid
oh don't generalize.


huh? what are you talking about? :conf:
iammesol
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Originally posted by Clovis
Yeah because capitalism is working out ing great for us right now innit? :stongue:


Just because we're in a slump doesn't mean it's not working. Capitalism resembles a sine wave... highs and lows :p
wotyzoid
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Originally posted by verndogs
huh? what are you talking about? :conf:


Some aspects of communism have actually worked wonders for China. How can you say it doesn't work?

Clovis
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Originally posted by iammesol
Just because we're in a slump doesn't mean it's not working. Capitalism resembles a sine wave... highs and lows :p



Yeah I guess you could call it a "slump"

The remedy for this slump is apparently socialized losses.
Lebezniatnikov
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