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so did McCain just blow it? (pg. 9)
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
To be fair, the current state of the world and the perception of the US that most countries have is certainly not just Dubya's fault and started decades before. That's the biggest ing cop-out around attributing everything to him. |
True to a point, but it's interesting to note that aggregate opinion polling from around the world has consistently shown over the last few years that Bill Clinton has the highest approval rating of any single person on Earth - including Mandela and the Pope. Granted, he has a name recognition advantage over a lot of people, but the difference between his approval and Bush's is striking.
So yes, the disenfranchisement with America runs much deeper than the past eight years, but if anyone is looking for a catalyst for the public outpouring of discontent, it's this administration. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
You don't know what it's like living in . Foreign opinions discarded.
edit: might not have been the right word, but this is certainly not America's prime, disregarding what other nations think. |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
I agree but he didnt make things better either.He bascially said the world Iam doing it my way. |
Oh I'm not disagreeing with you two at all. I just don't like this current mindset that's creeping in where people seem to think it's all his fault. What was it all peaches and cream 8 years ago? I don't think so.
Heh, oh and Woty I do know what it's like to live in , probably more so than most of you. I grew up in a war torn country with some of the biggest corruption in the world ;)
EDIT - Lebez, agreed :) |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Heh, oh and Woty I do know what it's like to live in , probably more so than most of you. I grew up in a war torn country with some of the biggest corruption in the world ;)
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Sorry, it was just a stupid assumption based on you're location. But yeh... it' pretty crappy right now, man. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| Well you live in New Jersey, that's to be expected. :p |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Well you live in New Jersey, that's to be expected. :p |
, I hate guidos. Puls have you seen gas prices? I don't drive full time yet, but I feel the pain. Not to mention the school system. If I still attended a poor public school in Brazil I'd probably understand more Shakespeare than I do now. I feel ashamed. :( |
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| Krypton |
| McCain is sure in no position to call Obama inexperienced... |
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| sean5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by spacechica
no offense or anything but being in the senate doesn't mean anything about being in the president's office to me...
ok i feel bad for Joe Biden because he has had some hard times, but should we be giving the president's seat to people who we feel bad for?
is that the change you want to see in America?
when he talks i feel like he knows it's a lost cause but he wants to be on the cover of Time magazine and and to be in the president's office...
i think that if you vote for Barack Obama, you might see immediate changes, but the long- term effects are very risky.
do you really want the intricacies of the American government controlled by the African population of not only America, but the world throughout?
i actually fear riots if Barack Obama doesn't win... |
i don't think you have to worry about the tribes and rebel armies who rape and kill on a daily basis over in the congo making policy in america. |
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| sean5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
McCain is sure in no position to call Obama inexperienced... |
her resume is still better than his and he is going for president. liberal media is using scare tactics to make it seem like mccain will die at any moment when there is no evidence to suggest he's going anywhere. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by sean5
her resume is still better than his and he is going for president. |
I dare you to say that with a straight face.
If it's "executive experience" you're counting, and nothing else, then your presidential candidate has zero years of experience as well.
If it's experience with the issues pertinent to national office - Obama, a Harvard law professor, social worker, and state and national politician for the past 10 years, has your half-term governor of the 47th largest state in the union beat. |
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| sean5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I dare you to say that with a straight face.
If it's "executive experience" you're counting, and nothing else, then your presidential candidate has zero years of experience as well.
If it's experience with the issues pertinent to national office - Obama, a Harvard law professor, social worker, and state and national politician for the past 10 years, has your half-term governor of the 47th largest state in the union beat. |
seeing as she's actually been in charge and has run a state where as he's never run anything besides his mouth, i would say she has the upper hand. she's been in politics since 92 at the city and state level. he's been in the senate 2 years and has done nothing. also i should mention that she is not nearly as opaque as obama. unlike him, she can actually take a stance on an issue. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by sean5
seeing as she's actually been in charge and has run a state where as he's never run anything besides his mouth, i would say she has the upper hand. she's been in politics since 92 at the city and state level. he's been in the senate 2 years and has done nothing. also i should mention that she is not nearly as opaque as obama. unlike him, she can actually take a stance on an issue. |
Aside from the fact that "opaque" is probably the opposite of the meaning you meant to convey, this is ridiculous tripe.
She's been the governor of Alaska for less than two years, and before that she was the mayor of a community of 7000 people. If you want to get into an argument about experience as an executive, you'll be on awfully shifty sands considering John McCain has zero years of experience by your barometer and Sarah Palin's is hardly awe-inspiring.
But here's a challenge. If you can find one substantive statement by Sarah Palin on US foreign policy - Iran, Russia and Georgia, Darfur, the War on Terror, Afghanistan, Pakistan, US-Europe relations, I'll eat my shorts and name you the champion of this thread.
You know why? Because you won't find one - people have been looking all day long.
And to ignore Obama's 4 years (let me see if I did this math right.... 2008-2004 = 4, right?) of accomplishments - in the US Senate alone - is just setting yourself up to be hit out of the park.
(hint: google "Lugar and Obama" and see what comes up - a more substantive piece of foreign policy legislation than Sarah Palin, homecoming queen, has ever dreamed of in her sleep) |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | | What has Palin said about foreign policy? Virtually nothing. Foreign Policy’s survey turned up positions only on energy issues, where Palin supports drilling in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge even though McCain currently does not. At ontheissues.org, she comes up “no issue stance yet recorded” on not only “foreign policy,” but also “war and peace," "immigration" and "free trade." And arguments from some conservatives that she has foreign policy credentials by virtue of Alaska’s proximity to Russia are a bit of a stretch, since it’s hard to find anything she’s ever said about the country. |
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