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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I think you're giving the situation in Iraq over the past five years a pretty rosy hue. |
Probably, but I'm not wholly affluent on the specifics and statistics so I am trying to give the benefit of the doubt. :p |
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| Sukhoi29SU |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
You mean this one?
Also...
Pro Tip: Sources/Citations have to be credible for them to mean anything to anyone. |
Yes Rob, that is the chart that I was referring to.
FYI- Your photo shop edit/attack, although extremely creative, didn't really generate a negative reaction from me, whatsoever. I don't dislike you any more than I did prior to your last post. |
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| Sukhoi29SU |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ted Promo
People may claim that http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...1806&forumid=16
tranceaddict Forums - Reply to TopicSaddam was an awful and atrocious dictator, but maybe *just maybe* that is what the people in Iraq needed. Democracy doesn't work everywhere. Some people need dictators and eye-for-an-eye consequences.
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You believe that Saddam practiced 'eye for an eye' dictatorship? What did the Kurds do to deserve a chemical massacre? What did the thousands of innocent Iraqi's do to deserve what they got from Hussein? It's hard for me to grasp the concept that some people believe Iraq might have 'needed' a dictator like him. That just doesn't make any sense to me at all. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU
You believe that Saddam practiced 'eye for an eye' dictatorship? What did the Kurds do to deserve a chemical massacre? |
What did the Iranians ever do to deserve getting chemical massacre by your own fukcin made weapons?why didnt your country try to stop Saddam from using those weapons on all those Iranians? |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU
That just doesn't make any sense to me at all. |
That point aside, this statement applies to just about everything we've tried saying to you. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| Bottom line American ed Iraq forever.The country will never be "free".Iraqis got exactly what they wanted all along,a pro Iran regime.:) |
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| Sukhoi29SU |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
If you're going to make the argument that Iraq has saved countless American lives you need to substantiate your opinion with fact or else continue to face a high level of skepticism from people who have actually looked at the facts. |
Asking me to provide you with "fact" that the war has saved many lives would be like me asking you to prove that the war hasn't. You can't prove your side, nor can I prove mine. Who knows what would have happened if the US never invaded Iraq
One can, however, take an educated guess based on Hussein's record. Speaking conservatively, the regime was killing innocent civilians at an average rate of at least 16,000 a year between 1979 and March 2003.
Again, although I can't place any 'proof' within this thread, I believe it is evidently clear that our efforts have saved lives. |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU
Asking me to provide you with "fact" that the war has saved many lives would be like me asking you to prove that the war hasn't. You can't prove your side, nor can I prove mine. Who knows what would have happened if the US never invaded Iraq
One can, however, take an educated guess based on Hussein's record. Speaking conservatively, the regime was killing innocent civilians at an average rate of at least 16,000 a year between 1979 and March 2003.
Again, although I can't place any 'proof' within this thread, I believe it is evidently clear that our efforts have saved lives. |
So you're saying neither of us have proof yet you're still right without it.
Yep, that sounds fair. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU
Asking me to provide you with "fact" that the war has saved many lives would be like me asking you to prove that the war hasn't. You can't prove your side, nor can I prove mine. Who knows what would have happened if the US never invaded Iraq |
Well, you said that you knew. So I asked you to provide proof of your assertion. You can't make an assertion without support and then say that the burden is on everyone else to prove you wrong.
| quote: | | One can, however, take an educated guess based on Hussein's record. Speaking conservatively, the regime was killing innocent civilians at an average rate of at least 16,000 a year between 1979 and March 2003. |
Source?
| quote: | | Again, although I can't place any 'proof' within this thread, I believe it is evidently clear that our efforts have saved lives. |
For those playing along from home, take a second to do the math. 16,000 (using Sukhoi's sourceless number) times five years = 80,000 casualties. Now take the time to visualize where that would go in the graph above (from Feb. 2008). |
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| Sukhoi29SU |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
So you're saying neither of us have proof yet you're still right without it.
Yep, that sounds fair. |
No. I'm saying that I believe I'm right based on an educated prediction based on history. |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU
No. I'm saying that I believe I'm right based on an educated prediction based on history. |
According to history the USA was wrong about Vietnam, therefore I should declare myself the winner of this argument? |
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| Sukhoi29SU |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Well, you said that you knew. So I asked you to provide proof of your assertion. You can't make an assertion without support and then say that the burden is on everyone else to prove you wrong.
Source?
For those playing along from home, take a second to do the math. 16,000 (using Sukhoi's sourceless number) times five years = 80,000 casualties. Now take the time to visualize where that would go in the graph above (from Feb. 2008). |
The graph has no title or time line. Any chance you might provide where you found it?
Also, taking a graph that represents one particular time in history won't be an accurate measure of long term results.
How many of those civilian casualties do you believe were a result of terrorist actions? I hope that you aren't placing all of those on the US military. |
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