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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by amit
Sounds like some of you are disappointed in McCains pick !
thats because you have been dis armed and have nothing you can bring to bear against Governor Palin , go ahead and put Her down , go ahead and be vile and arrogant every negative that you throw will stengthen the choice and turn voters from your small mean little party !
Go for it ! |
She has nothing to bring to the table.No experience nothing.She simply isnt qualified for the job and thats a fact dude. |
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by amit
Most business leaders and investors favor Senator McCain's low tax, less government spending, free trade stance!!!! |
And what the does that have to do with Palin? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by amit
Most business leaders and investors favor Senator McCain's low tax, less government spending, free trade stance!!!! |
http://alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/
Keep saying McCain will lower taxes, just go right ahead. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
I'm just going to preface this with the fact that Maureen Dowd is a woman... because this NYTimes Op-Ed is a nuclear missile aimed right at Sarah Palin's face.
| quote: | Op-Ed Columnist
Vice in Go-Go Boots?
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: August 31, 2008
The guilty pleasure I miss most when I’m out slogging on the campaign trail is the chance to sprawl on the chaise and watch a vacuously spunky and generically sassy chick flick.
So imagine my delight, my absolute astonishment, when the hokey chick flick came out on the trail, a Cinderella story so preposterous it’s hard to believe it’s not premiering on Lifetime. Instead of going home and watching “Miss Congeniality” with Sandra Bullock, I get to stay here and watch “Miss Congeniality” with Sarah Palin.
Sheer heaven.
It’s easy to see where this movie is going. It begins, of course, with a cute, cool unknown from Alaska who has never even been on “Meet the Press” triumphing over a cute, cool unknowable from Hawaii who has been on “Meet the Press” a lot.
Americans, suspicious that the Obamas have benefited from affirmative action without being properly grateful, and skeptical that Michelle really likes “The Brady Bunch” and “The Dick Van Dyke Show,” reject the 47-year-old black contender as too uppity and untested.
Instead, they embrace 72-year-old John McCain and 44-year-old Sarah Palin, whose average age is 58, a mere two years older than the average age of the Obama-Biden ticket. Enthusiastic Republicans don’t see the choice of Palin as affirmative action, despite her thin résumé and gaping absence of foreign policy knowledge, because they expect Republicans to put an underqualified “babe,” as Rush Limbaugh calls her, on the ticket. They have a tradition of nominating fun, bantamweight cheerleaders from the West, like the previous Miss Congeniality types Dan Quayle and W., and then letting them learn on the job. So they crash into the globe a few times while they’re learning to drive, what’s the big deal?
Obama may have been president of The Harvard Law Review, but Palin graduated from the University of Idaho with a minor in poli-sci and worked briefly as a TV sports reporter. And she was tougher on the basketball court than the ethereal Obama, earning the nickname “Sarah Barracuda.”
The legacy of Geraldine Ferraro was supposed to be that no one would ever go on a blind date with history again. But that crazy maverick and gambler McCain does it, and conservatives and evangelicals rally around him in admiration of his refreshingly cynical choice of Sarah, an evangelical Protestant and anti-abortion crusader who became a hero when she decided to have her baby, who has Down syndrome, and when she urged schools to debate creationism as well as that stuffy old evolution thing.
Palinistas, as they are called, love Sarah’s spunky, relentlessly quirky “Northern Exposure” story from being a Miss Alaska runner-up, and winning Miss Congeniality, to being mayor and hockey mom in Wasilla, a rural Alaskan town of 6,715, to being governor for two years to being the first woman ever to run on a national Republican ticket. (Why do men only pick women as running mates when they need a Hail Mary pass? It’s a little insulting.)
Sarah is a zealot, but she’s a fun zealot. She has a beehive and sexy shoes, and the day she’s named she goes shopping with McCain in Ohio for a cheerleader outfit for her daughter.
As she once told Vogue, she’s learned the hard way to deal with press comments about her looks. “I wish they’d stick with the issues instead of discussing my black go-go boots,” she said. “A reporter once asked me about it during the campaign, and I assured him I was trying to be as frumpy as I could by wearing my hair on top of my head and these schoolmarm glasses.”
This chick flick, naturally, features a wild stroke of fate, when the two-year governor of an oversized igloo becomes commander in chief after the president-elect chokes on a pretzel on day one.
The movie ends with the former beauty queen shaking out her pinned-up hair, taking off her glasses, slipping on ruby red peep-toe platform heels that reveal a pink French-style pedicure, and facing down Vladimir Putin in an island in the Bering Strait. Putting away her breast pump, she points her rifle and informs him frostily that she has some expertise in Russia because it’s close to Alaska. “Back off, Commie dude,” she says. “I’m a much better shot than Cheney.”
Then she takes off in her seaplane and lands on the White House lawn, near the new ice fishing hole and hockey rink. The “First Dude,” as she calls the hunky Eskimo in the East Wing, waits on his snowmobile with the kids — Track (named after high school track meets), Bristol (after Bristol Bay where they did commercial fishing), Willow (after a community in Alaska), Piper (just a cool name) and Trig (Norse for “strength.”)
“The P.T.A. is great preparation for dealing with the K.G.B.,” President Palin murmurs to Todd, as they kiss in the final scene while she changes Trig’s diaper. “Now that Georgia’s safe, how ’bout I cook you up some caribou hot dogs and moose stew for dinner, babe?” |
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/o...RdfaTSozszNmq5w |
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| woscar99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
There are already 3 threads on the first page regarding the presidential election - Did you really have to make another one? |
Specially when we have a political forum... |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar99
Specially when we have a political forum... |
While we're at it, all of those threads that ask questions about troubleshooting firefox or headphone or speaker shopping should just be moved to the technology sub-forum. And the funny youtube videos belong in the humor sub-forum. Maybe we should just create a movie sub-forum too. Would really cut down on traffic in the chillout room, and keep me from clicking on threads I don't want to read. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
she's a milf! holy ! she's totally qualified now, what was i thinking?! |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
VPILF ! |
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| amit |
u know they are targeting the conservative votes...the independent voters...the women voters...
obama isnt experienced at all either.
biden is the experienced
mccain has experience
palin isnt experienced at all.
soo theres a balance...
its going to be very effective in the swing states. give it like few weeks people will start liking her even more!
she has 5 kids 1 with down syndrome, 1 is going to iraq... i think its very effective move! |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by amit
its going to be very effective in the swing states. give it like few weeks people will start liking her even more!
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| quote: | Getting Real About Palin
I've noticed some people who should know better claiming that bringing up Gov. Palin's troopergate scandal is tantamount to making a victim of or defending her slimeball ex-brother-in-law who allegedly once used a taser on his stepson.
That's awfully foolish. So I thought I'd put together a post explaining why.
The person in question is state trooper Mike Wooten -- Palin's ex-brother-in-law who's embroiled in a bitter custody and divorce battle with Palin's sister. Back in the second week of August, well before Palin became a national political figure, TPMMuckraker was reporting on this story. And as part of the reporting we tried to get a handle on just how bad a guy Wooten was. Most people who are familiar with the ugliness that often spills out of custody and divorce cases know to take accusations arising out of the course of them with a grain of salt unless you know a lot about the people involved. And if you look closely at the case there are numerous reasons to question the picture drawn by the Palin family. Regardless, we proceeded on the assumption that Wooten really was a rotten guy because the truth is that it wasn't relevant to the investigation of Palin.
Let's review what happened.
The Palin family had a feud with Wooten prior to her becoming governor. They put together a list of 14 accusations which they took to the state police to investigate -- a list that ranged from the quite serious to the truly absurd. The state police did an investigation, decided that 5 of the charges had some merit and suspended Wooten for ten days -- a suspension later reduced to five days. The Palin's weren't satisfied but there wasn't much they could do.
When Palin became governor they went for another bite at the apple. Palin, her husband and several members of her staff began pressuring Public Safety Commissioner, Walt Monegan -- a respected former Chief of the Anchorage police department -- to can Wooten. Monegan resisted, arguing that the official process regarding Wooten was closed. And there was nothing more that could be done. In fact, during one of the conversations in which Palin's husband Todd was putting on the squeeze, Monegan told Todd Palin, "You can't head hunt like this. What you need to do is back off, because if the trooper does make a mistake, and it is a terminable offense, it can look like political interference."
Eventually, Palin got fed up and fired Monegan from his job. This is an important point. Wooten never got fired. To the best of my knowledge, he's is still on the job. The central bad act was firing the state's top police official because he refused to bend to political pressure from the governor and her family to fire a public employee against whom the governor was pursuing a vendetta -- whether the vendetta was justified or not.
Soon after this, questions were raised in the state about Monegan's firing and he eventually came forward and said he believed he'd been fired for not giving in to pressure to fire Wooten.
After Monegan made his accusations, Palin insisted there was no truth whatsoever to his claims. Nonetheless, a bipartisan committee of the state legislature approved an investigation. In response, Palin asked the Attorney General to start his own investigation which many in the state interpreted as an effort to either keep tabs on or tamper with the legislature's investigation. Again, very questionable judgment in someone who aspires to be first in line to the presidency.
The Attorney General's investigation quickly turned up evidence that Palin's initial denials were false. Multiple members of her staff had raised Wooten's employment with Monegan. Indeed, the state police had a recording of one of her deputies pushing Monegan to fire Wooten. That evidence forced Palin to change her story. Palin said that this was the first she'd heard of it and insisted the deputy wasn't acting at her behest, even though the trascript of the recorded call clearly suggested that he was. (Hear the audio here.)
Just yesterday, Monegan gave an interview to the Washington Post in which he said that not only Palin's aides, but Palin's husband and Palin herself had repeatedly raised the Wooten issue with him and pressured him to fire him. And now he says he has emails that Palin sent him about the matter. (In an interesting sidelight, that may end up telling us a lot, Monegan says no one from the McCain campaign ever contacted him in the vetting process.)
The investigator appointed by the state legislature began trying to arrange a time to depose Gov. Palin last week -- in other words, in the final days before her selection.
So let's put this all together.
We rely on elected officials not to use the power of their office to pursue personal agendas or vendettas. It's called an abuse of power. There is ample evidence that Palin used her power as governor to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. When his boss refused to fire him, she fired him. She first denied Monegan's claims of pressure to fire Wooten and then had to amend her story when evidence proved otherwise. The available evidence now suggests that she 1) tried to have an ex-relative fired from his job for personal reasons, something that was clearly inappropriate, and perhaps illegal, though possibly understandable in human terms, 2) fired a state official for not himself acting inappropriately by firing the relative, 3) lied to the public about what happened and 4) continues to lie about what happened.
These are, to put it mildly, not the traits or temperament you want in someone who could hold the executive power of the federal government.
I've written above how Sarah Palin not only lacks the experience to be president but also the judgment and temperament for the job. Far more damaging for McCain, however, is that his choice of Palin provides tangible and now readily understandable evidence that John McCain lacks the judgment and temperament for the presidency. You're already seeing conservative commentators reacting to his decision by calling McCain reckless and the more risky choice in this election.
They say the choice of a vice president is a candidate's first presidential decision. In his speech last week, Bill Clinton said that on this test Barack Obama hit it out of the park. That may be campaign trail hyperbole. But no one questions that Joe Biden has the experience, knowledge and stature to become president. John McCain has campaigned on a vision of America at war, facing numerous present and potential enemies. And though he faces a not insignificant chance of dying during his first term of office (he's a 72 year old man who has twice battled cancer), he has picked a running mate who he knows little about and who is manifestly unready to serve as president.
Impulsive, reckless? As Joe Klein puts it, McCain is "He has proven himself, yet again, ready on day one--to shoot from the hip." It's hard to see how this doesn't make a joke out of the importance he's claimed to place on having a commander-in-chief seasoned and experienced enough to lead in dangerous times.
Just after McCain announced his pick, a number of commentators -- some independent analysts and others Republican partisans -- said that this was McCain reverting to form. He's a gambler, he likes rolling the dice, playing craps -- to use the most chosen metaphor. (Little discussed is that McCain is, in the literal sense, a big time gambler, though he appears to keep the amount of money he loses under control.) But is that the temperament one wants in a president and commander-in-chief? Someone whose inclination, at critical moments of decision, is toward risky, high-stakes gambles? That kind of erratic behavior is pardonable, even an asset in a senator (who has little direct power beyond 1 of 100 votes and the ability to persuade people). But it's a dangerous trait for a leader of a country of 300 million.
--Josh Marshall |
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
Yes, let's wait another five weeks!
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
She has nothing to bring to the table.No experience nothing.She simply isnt qualified for the job and thats a fact dude. |
As compared to Obama and he's the presidential canditate? |
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| Alex |
The experience thing is hilarious, honestly.
As Bill Clinton has pointed out numerous times, George Bush Sr. made HIM out to be too young and too inexperienced, and apart from maybe a handful of others he was the best president the USA has ever had!
And McCain is pathetic, all he has on Obama is the surge and the fact that he's young and not AS experienced as him. Obama pointed out that McCain hates business as usual in Washington and that McCain has repeatedly said he doesn't think the Gov has done anything in 30 years, and he's been there for 26! |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by verndogs
As compared to Obama and he's the presidential canditate? |
hahaha, this argument still cracks me up.
The answer is "Yes, as compared to Obama, Sarah Palin is tremendously unqualified to deal with issues that pertain to the nation as a whole. There is absolutely no comparison you can make between executive experience gained while working in Wasilla, Alaska's city hall before serving as governor of the 47th largest state in the union for 18 months (and coming under scrutiny in two ongoing ethics investigations), and the exposure to and thoughtful consideration of issues and policies affecting the national welfare over the course of a career that includes social work, law, state politics, national politics, foreign policy committee work, and running a fifty-state national campaign with a budget of $336 million raised from over 2 million donors."
My dad was going to vote for McCain for your very argument, but after the one-two punch of an Obama speech detailing 25 specific policy proposals and the complete disdain for national security that John McCain showed with his VP pick, he's completely appalled that someone like McCain was ever allowed on a major-party ticket.
FYI: 18 months ago this was Sarah Palin's office.
And you think she's ready for this:
Ok. :stongue: :stongue: |
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