Originally posted by RJT
This thread is a lot like doing acid.
This isn't fun though.
Lomeli
spacechica is okay in my book.
Sushipunk
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Originally posted by Lomeli
spacechica is okay in my book.
Sure. The book of 'Garfield minus Garfield.'
Ted Promo
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Originally posted by Sushipunk
Sure. The book of 'Garfield minus Garfield.'
man, you so brought this back up
Lebezniatnikov
The most offensive moment last night, filled with one mock, one distortion of the truth, and an outright lie (the legislation bit - just ask Republicans Coburn or Lugar about co-authored legislation with Obama):
So the immediate response?
Sums up my feelings. The campaign's response?
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I wasn't planning on sending you something tonight. But if you saw what I saw from the Republican convention, you know that it demands a response.
I saw John McCain's attack squad of negative, cynical politicians. They lied about Barack Obama and Joe Biden, and they attacked you for being a part of this campaign.
But worst of all -- and this deserves to be noted -- they insulted the very idea that ordinary people have a role to play in our political process.
You know that despite what John McCain and his attack squad say, everyday people have the power to build something extraordinary when we come together. Make a donation of $5 or more right now to remind them.
Both Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin specifically mocked Barack's experience as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago more than two decades ago, where he worked with people who had lost jobs and been left behind when the local steel plants closed.
Let's clarify something for them right now.
Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.
And it's no surprise that, after eight years of George Bush, millions of people have found that by coming together in their local communities they can change the course of history. That promise is what our campaign has been about from the beginning.
Throughout our history, ordinary people have made good on America's promise by organizing for change from the bottom up. Community organizing is the foundation of the civil rights movement, the women's suffrage movement, labor rights, and the 40-hour workweek. And it's happening today in church basements and community centers and living rooms across America.
Meanwhile, we still haven't gotten a single idea during the entire Republican convention about the economy and how to lift a middle class so harmed by the Bush-McCain policies.
It's now clear that John McCain's campaign has decided that desperate lies and personal attacks -- on Barack Obama and on you -- are the only way they can earn a third term for the Bush policies that McCain has supported more than 90 percent of the time.
But you can send a crystal clear message.
Enough is enough. Make your voice heard loud and clear by making a $5 donation right now:
Thank you for joining more than 2 million ordinary Americans who refuse to be silenced.
David
David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America
Rudy Giuliani got me to donate $50. Well played.
The17sss
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
The most offensive moment last night, filled with one mock, one distortion of the truth, and an outright lie (the legislation bit - just ask Republicans Coburn or Lugar about co-authored legislation with Obama):
Sour grapes. A response to David Plouffe's crying... er, I mean commentary.
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I wasn't planning on sending you something tonight. But if you saw what I saw from the Republican convention, you know that it demands a response.
In other words, the Obama campaign will fall into the trap of having the top of its ticket get into a debate with the bottom of the GOP ticket.
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I saw John McCain’s attack squad of negative, cynical politicians. They lied about Barack Obama and Joe Biden, and they attacked you for being a part of this campaign.
In other words … Mom! Mom! Sister hit me back! After constantly referring to the governor as the “mayor of Wasilly“, Obama has no room to talk about negative and cynical.
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Both Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin specifically mocked Barack’s experience as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago more than two decades ago, where he worked with people who had lost jobs and been left behind when the local steel plants closed. Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.
Well, no, they mocked the notion that that experience somehow trumps being a mayor. You see, mayors get held accountable for their policies and their ability to remain in touch. Palin managed to do so well that she got re-elected, and then elected Governor.
By the way, which of the two has actually risked their career to reform the system to kick out-of-touch politicians out of the system? Barack Obama played along with the Daley machine in Chicago. Palin fought her own party to end corruption in Alaska. Which one is the friend of out-of-touch politicians?
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It’s now clear that John McCain’s campaign has decided that desperate lies and personal attacks — on Barack Obama and on you — are the only way they can earn a third term for the Bush policies that McCain has supported more than 90 percent of the time.
You know, it’s funny, but nowhere in this e-mail does Plouffe (or his flunky who wrote this, more likely) ever actually identify a single lie in either speech last night. They complain about Giuliani and Palin making fun of Obama, which they certainly did, but never do they refute one factual statement they made. Plouffe et al just like calling Palin a liar — while their allies keep spinning myths about her political affiliation, the maternity of her last child, her marital fidelity, and her ability to manage her family.
Mom! Mom! Sister hit me back … and she hits too hard for a girl!
*As for Rudi, where's the distortion? Obama DID only vote "present" intead of a yes or a no 130 times while in the state senate. He was also 100% accurate saying Obama's never run a state, a city, a military unit and never had to lead people in crisis. It is 100% true that he is the least experienced politician to run for president in 100 years. And he said "no legislation to really speak of" meaning if he did co-sponsor something with Coburn or Lugar, it wasn't anything major worth speaking about (one was a bill in the Secure Fence Act that supported a threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, and the other one authorized the establishment of a web search engine called usaspending.gov).
:stongue:
Alex
So your post seems well informed and what not, but did McCain's cronies succeed in doing anything apart from degrading Obama? :stongue: :stongue:
Please, I dismiss everything the Republicans say about "experience in this volitile time" and remind myself that McCain is an older and more senile George W. Bush.
iammesol
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
The most offensive moment last night, filled with one mock, one distortion of the truth, and an outright lie (the legislation bit - just ask Republicans Coburn or Lugar about co-authored legislation with Obama):
So the immediate response?
Sums up my feelings. The campaign's response?
Rudy Giuliani got me to donate $50. Well played.
I'm just in awe how things like this are so prevalent in the campaign this year. :nervous:
Donated $20 myself last night
The17sss
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Originally posted by Alex
So your post seems well informed and what not, but did McCain's cronies succeed in doing anything apart from degrading Obama? :stongue: :stongue:
Please, I dismiss everything the Republicans say about "experience in this volitile time" and remind myself that McCain is an older and more senile George W. Bush.
Eh. Regan was 73 when he ran again in 1984 and he did alright.
Alex
John McCain is no Ronald Reagan.
Groundhog Boy
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Originally posted by The17sss
Eh. Regan was 73 when he ran again in 1984 and he did alright.
He had ing Alzheimer's while in office.....
Do I need to even mention that he escalated our national debt phenomenally during that time?
DJLafleur
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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
He had ing Alzheimer's while in office.....
Do I need to even mention that he escalated our national debt phenomenally during that time?
Are you kidding me? Reagan was easily one of the best Presidents the United States has had.
He basically ended the cold war between the United States and the Soviet Union(I know theres more detail to it but thats the basic idea)
