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so did McCain just blow it? (pg. 230)
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| jonSun |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh rising
gay rights are more important to me than being pro-life, so that's a big factor why i voted for obama. |
your a gay man & against a womans right to choose? Damn.. what did you mom do to you? :p |
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| josh rising |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonSun
your a gay man & against a womans right to choose? Damn.. what did you mom do to you? :p |
hahaha. well i dunno, my hometown is very very very pro-life so it's the only viewpoint i've only really ever had about it. i respect the pro-choice standpoint, but unless the mom was raped or is in serious danger if she has the baby, i don't believe the baby should ever be aborted. you could be aborting someone who could eventually change the world for the better! you never know, it's too much of a risk. every life deserves a chance, even if they are just a gross little fetus. |
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| iammesol |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
I waited over an hour to vote today in Chicago. Something near 190k people have already voted here. Not that it's a tough call here or anything, but it's good to see people getting out in numbers like that. |
Same here for last week. They told us an hour and a half, and it turned into 2 hours. I liked it being that way though because I got to soak up the moment. I never thought my first voting experience would be in an election this epic! |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh rising
hahaha. well i dunno, my hometown is very very very pro-life so it's the only viewpoint i've only really ever had about it. i respect the pro-choice standpoint, but unless the mom was raped or is in serious danger if she has the baby, i don't believe the baby should ever be aborted. you could be aborting someone who could eventually change the world for the better! you never know, it's too much of a risk. every life deserves a chance, even if they are just a gross little fetus. |
A life is not technically a life until it does not need the direct biological support of another. |
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| Scottaculous |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
A life is not technically a life until it does not need the direct biological support of another. |
don't think you can use that argument when parasites like bacteria and viruses fit into that category |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
don't think you can use that argument when parasites like bacteria and viruses fit into that category |
Well, without the host they would be dead. So, sure.
Also, I mean direct biological support like you are dependant upon the mother / parent for direct nutritional support. I.e, through an umbilical cord. That's a bit different from a parasite / host relationship. |
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| delobbo |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
A life is not technically a life until it does not need the direct biological support of another. |
trying to make sense of this... you're saying a life is not technically a life (whatever technically means, in this context) until the baby is born and disconnected from the umbilical cord.. so.. a full-term baby in the womb is not a "life"? I don't have a strong opinion on either side but damn, wow..
also, is this a definition of your own or are you getting this from somewhere? |
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| UWM |
If the baby can sustain life outside of the womb then, yes, I would say it counts.
If it's at like 25 weeks and can't, then I don't know.
I don't expect a lot of people to agree with me on these things. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Of course the fetus is a human life. It's just that the negative effects of letting abortions happen are less than the negative effects of upholding the right of government to interfere whenever it pleases with what medical procedures people elect to have and what they can do their own bodies.
Pro-lifers: is that really a precedent that you want to set? That the government can control what you do to your body whenever it wants to? |
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| delobbo |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
If the baby can sustain life outside of the womb then, yes, I would say it counts.
If it's at like 25 weeks and can't, then I don't know.
I don't expect a lot of people to agree with me on these things. |
I guess when I first read it I was just kinda going "huh".
btw my post is not coming from a political perspective - I was just thinking out loud.
I think pregnancy is a very very personal thing and I think the mom and family should be the ones making the decisions there. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| Brain function is a key biological determinant of life for me. |
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| Jeremy H |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
don't think you can use that argument when parasites like bacteria and viruses fit into that category |
Yes he can. It's actually the a common view that they are not considered to be "alive" because of this. They also don't have any metabolization etc. But the subject is debated though :)
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Brain function is a key biological determinant of life for me. |
Why? :) Never seen this in any of the proposed "scientific" definitions of life. |
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