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G20 Happenings Thread... (pg. 34)
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by E2EK1EL
So many arrest, some are good, some are bad and all is gonna cost a lot of money to deal with it in court. |
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| jon jon |
killer article by the Toronto Star...
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http://www.thestar.com/opinion/edit...y-on-g20-mayhem
Call inquiry on G20 mayhem
The just-completed G20 summit was supposed to be an opportunity to showcase Toronto to the world. Unfortunately, the images the world will remember are of burning police cruisers, smashed store windows and riot squads chasing down protesters.
In Canada, there is another summit memory that will stick in the public mind: the $1.2 billion that was spent to host the G20 in Toronto and its sister group of leaders, the G8, in Muskoka. Much of that money was spent turning Toronto into an armed camp.
How did this happen? How did a seemingly peaceful protest march spin out of control and become a scene of mayhem? And given the heavy police presence in our city, how did a small number of black-clad, self-styled “anarchists” (the Black Bloc) manage to do so much damage?
Some argue that the mayhem justified the huge expenditure on security measures. “That’s why the security costs were high,” said Prime Minister Stephen Harper at the summit-closing news conference on Sunday.
Others say that the omnipresent barricades and police in riot gear served as a magnet to those intent on smashing property.
Either way, the questions that linger from this weekend ought not to go unanswered. Rather, they should be addressed in a systemic fashion. Auditor-General Sheila Fraser comes to mind as someone who could do the job. But her mandate is limited to determining whether the government is receiving “value for money” for its spending. What is needed is a wider inquiry, headed by an eminent person with a broad mandate and a tight time frame. Among the questions that inquiry should pose are:
• How did the bill for the summits run up so high? Was every summit organizer told to “spare no expense?”
• What was the thinking behind the decision to host a G20 meeting on the heels of the G8 and to put it in Toronto?
• Why was it decided to turn the downtown core into an armed camp rather than take a more subtle approach to security? Did anyone balance security demands against costs to businesses, theatres, restaurants and bars?
• Would the security problems have been reduced if, as Toronto Mayor David Miller had suggested, the main meeting place had been at Exhibition Place instead of the convention centre (Harper's choice)?
• What intelligence was there on the Black Bloc and was it shared among all the police forces? And if some of the Black Bloc came from abroad, why were they let in the country?
• With thousands of additional officers in town, why did the police response seem so slow to deliberate acts of vandalism? Was this a conscious police tactic — to allow some damage to happen before cracking down?
The point of asking questions like this is not to point fingers of blame at summit organizers, the police or anyone else. Rather, it is to learn from our past mistakes. Canada will undoubtedly be expected to host future summits. We have to do a better job of it the next time.
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
killer article by the Toronto Star... |
sorry this article gets a huge FAIL on my behalf
the questions that need to be asked are:
WHY WERE PEACEFUL PROTESTERS ATTACKED BY POLICE?
WHY WAS THE PUBLIC WORKS PROTECTION ACT AS AMENDED BY DALTON MCGUINTY'S GOVERNMENT ON JUNE 2 NOT MADE PUBLIC UNTIL LAST THURSDAY?
ARE THE CHANGES TO THIS ACT CONSTITUTIONAL?
WHY WERE POLICE ALLOWED TO DEMAND ID AND SEARCH PEOPLE MILES AWAY FROM THE SECURITY ZONE?
WHY WERE PEOPLE BEING FORCIBLY CONTAINED AND "ARRESTED FIRST AND SORTED LATER?"
WHERE HAS THE PREMIER BEEN IN THIS WHOLE MESS?
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with thousands of additional officers in town, why did the police response seem so slow to deliberate acts of vandalism? Was this a conscious police tactic — to allow some damage to happen before cracking down? |
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| -g- |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
WHERE HAS THE PREMIER BEEN IN THIS WHOLE MESS?
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it goes well beyond this.
why have all forms of gov't leadership done a polkaroo during this time?
without exception, there have been no comments issued, never mind action taken, by any level of politician during any of this. moreover, many of these representatives - while available - have taken the 'no comment' response.
simply unacceptable. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by -g-
it goes well beyond this.
why have all forms of gov't leadership done a polkaroo during this time?
without exception, there have been no comments issued, never mind action taken, by any level of politician during any of this. moreover, many of these representatives - while available - have taken the 'no comment' response.
simply unacceptable. |
Well to their credit both miller and harper have made statements about the violence. But all levels of government have some splainin to do as does the police chief and police commissioner.
What has gone on this weekend is unacceptable. Its one thing for the whack job vandals who probably got what they deserve, but the goddamn police should know better when it comes to innocent civilians |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
He should be fired. That is just purely disresectful. |
Why is it disrespectful....the people who were down there should have known the risks...you can't expect the police to just ask everyone if they are a protester or just someone there to watch what is going on. There is no reason for anyone from the police department to apologize for anything. I have no sympathy for anyone who was down there.....if you didn't want to risk getting arrested then you should have just stayed home.
The police handled this very well...there were no serious injuries, no gun fire, and everything stayed fairly calm considering how bad things could have gotten. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Well to their credit both miller and harper have made statements about the violence. But all levels of government have some splainin to do as does the police chief and police commissioner.
What has gone on this weekend is unacceptable. Its one thing for the whack job vandals who probably got what they deserve, but the goddamn police should know better when it comes to innocent civilians |
I'm sorry, they may have been innocent civilians but they were definitely stupid civilians and being put in a detention centre was probably the best thing to do so the retards wouldn't get hurt. |
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| exraver |
8:36 a.m. Arrest numbers keep climbing
The Integrated Security Unit is confirming that police have made more than 900 G20-related arrests since June 18.
David Fernandez has written an excellent report on what happened on his facebook page.
"Rewind to just before the riot happened, thousands of us marched in a very briskly moving group until we hit the intersection of Spadina and Queen. Folks from the labour movement tried in vain to encourage the march to move back up towards queens park, but the mood was clear. Many thousands of protestors were interested in being closer to the summit and letting the police know that we couldn't be intimidated.
But nothing official was planned. Labour walked back up the street leaving thousands to mill about in the confusion of what to do next. And in that confusion, several hundred people changed their clothes and took off together running down queen street while thousands of riot cops picked their noses. In full police view, they let a mob destroy banks and trash Yonge street.
And while riot cops had shields AND bikes and thousands of dollars in body armor to protect them from the remaining peaceful protestors, somehow they were so scared of us that they abandoned police cars."
http://openfile.ca/blog/saturday-af...een-and-spadina
The officers clustered and formed a line. A second picket of officers lined up behind them, facing the crowd where I stood. They started to move, but they weren't clearing the street; they were clearing out and abandoning two police cars, including the one with the shattered windshield.
The crowd of roughly 60 people fell into a moment of silence. The police were gone; their cars remained. The moment of decision.
Soon after, the squad cars would be on fire. (The gas cap appeared to have been removed from one of them even before the crowd moved in.)
G20 police 'used undercover men to incite crowds'
Another example of authorities attempting to provoke chaos at global summits in order to justify a brutal police crackdown.
ACLU wants probe into police-staged DNC protest
Stop SPP Protest - Union Leader stops provocateurs
The 3 so called "protesters" caught wearing exactly same boots as cops who're arresting them:
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
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this picture is calling for chops. why hasn't there been more.
someone post this on 4chan. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
can someone please confirm how many actual police cars were burnt down? I swear to god every report is different... 2,3, I even heard one report say 6!? |
I've told 8 |
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