"You people have to understand this fact...... there was no change to the law on the books.
A regulation was passed by the govt of the day - the minister - who has authority to do so at any time under most acts of the Ont Legislature - that designated a space INSIDE the barrier fence as a public work - as defined under the act.
In addition, .... friends listen carefully ..... there ws NO 5 METER RULE OUTSIDE THE FENCE !!!
Chief Blair made that up !!
He admitted in a press conference after the G-20 that "I was trying to keep the bad guys out" .
There was no 'secret law' change. The police had the authority all along to question anyone loitering around a public work, a post office, a police station, a bridge , etc etc.
The new regulation applied only to that area INSIDE the fence as a "public work" and only for a defined time period.
Now can anyone inagine - with the number of cops on hand anyone would get inside the fence in the first place ??
The chief lied. He is an experienced law enforcement person and had vast knowledge of most applicable laws.
IF, ... AS HE STATED HE NOTIFIED OFFICERS IMMEDIATELY ON LEARNING ON FRIDAY THAT THE FIVE METER RULE ONLY APPLIED INSIDE THE FENCE ---
... why were the coppers detaining and searching citizens at Spadina and Queen on Sunday evening in a rain storm .. on SUNDAY ??
Chief turn in the badge friend. It's the only justice you can achieve from this fiasco.
And take whoever gave you the order to do this with you ......
Who ordered the chief to do this ??
That is why we need an inquiry friends ....... "
hardcore trancer
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Originally posted by Swamper
Taken from a comment here
"You people have to understand this fact...... there was no change to the law on the books.
A regulation was passed by the govt of the day - the minister - who has authority to do so at any time under most acts of the Ont Legislature - that designated a space INSIDE the barrier fence as a public work - as defined under the act.
In addition, .... friends listen carefully ..... there ws NO 5 METER RULE OUTSIDE THE FENCE !!!
Chief Blair made that up !!
He admitted in a press conference after the G-20 that "I was trying to keep the bad guys out" .
There was no 'secret law' change. The police had the authority all along to question anyone loitering around a public work, a post office, a police station, a bridge , etc etc.
The new regulation applied only to that area INSIDE the fence as a "public work" and only for a defined time period.
Now can anyone inagine - with the number of cops on hand anyone would get inside the fence in the first place ??
The chief lied. He is an experienced law enforcement person and had vast knowledge of most applicable laws.
IF, ... AS HE STATED HE NOTIFIED OFFICERS IMMEDIATELY ON LEARNING ON FRIDAY THAT THE FIVE METER RULE ONLY APPLIED INSIDE THE FENCE ---
... why were the coppers detaining and searching citizens at Spadina and Queen on Sunday evening in a rain storm .. on SUNDAY ??
Chief turn in the badge friend. It's the only justice you can achieve from this fiasco.
And take whoever gave you the order to do this with you ......
Who ordered the chief to do this ??
That is why we need an inquiry friends ....... "
All true and like said there is more and more questions and no answers from anyone and some people think we should just forget all this and let these people get away with that they did. A public inquiry is a must otherwise the Government will continue to walk all over our rights. This is a fight and everyone must join. It is our country and our rights we are talking here FFS.
Skipper
All this uproar and only 22 people have complained to the Ombudsman.
The Highroller
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Originally posted by Skipper
All this uproar and only 22 people have complained to the Ombudsman.
You are taking this out of context. Yes, only 22 people complained to the Ombudsman about this specific law.
But there have been many, many complaints filed with the TPS board, the OIRPD, and the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.
Complaining to the police about the police is a bit redundant, no?
The 22 number just surprised me. I mean, besides writing to your MP, this would seem like the next logical route to lodge a complaint.
FunkyCrew
actually the Ombundsman's office is the last thing they should do - you have to make sure you file the complaints to all the appropriate ministry offices first, get replies (whatever they would be) from them and proceed to the next level, which is the Ombudsman's office
I know, because back in '08 I was denied OHIP coverage for a year because of my work visa specifics - I writen letters to the general manager's office of OHIP, then my MP, then my MPP and only then to the Ombundsman. They WERE fairly helpful though.
hardcore trancer
Looks like McGuinty's own party are going after him with tough questions. Glad to see that all th pressure on these politicians is finally paying off.
Premier Dalton McGuinty is facing a double-whammy of criticism from within his own Liberal Party over the supposed extra powers granted Toronto police during the G20 summit.
On the eve of Wednesday’s caucus and cabinet meetings, grassroots Liberal activists and MPPs were privately expressing concern over the debacle and what it says about the government’s principles and its competence.
Party loyalists want to know why a core Liberal value—civil liberties—was offended by the government secretly agreeing to a regulatory change that gave police clearer authority within the fortified security zone where the summit was held.
MPPs and cabinet ministers want to know why it took the government four days, including a weekend of arrests and rioting, to get its story straight after the Star broke the news of the powers on June 25.
At issue is the fact that on June 2, following a request from Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair, McGuinty’s cabinet quietly used an order-in-council to pass a time-limited regulation for the duration of the summit.
The temporary change designated some areas within the security zone as a “public work” – like courthouses and the Ontario Legislature—under the 1939 Public Works Protection Act.
This was to clear up any confusion for police if they had to stop someone inside the restricted security perimeter around the Metro Toronto Convention Centre where world leaders were meeting.
But officers and the public were left with the mistaken impression that the police had been given additional powers to arrest anyone within five metres of the secure zone – outside the fenced-off area.
“That was never the case,” fumed a senior Liberal on Tuesday. “But we didn’t correct the record for four days. You can bet this will come up at caucus (Wednesday).”
Instead, Ontarians were left believing – wrongly as it turned out—that the government endorsed the curbing of civil rights in downtown Toronto.
“That’s not where Liberals are at,” said a party activist, adding that while the general public may not be up in arms over the episode some Liberal supporters certainly are.
“For people who identify themselves as small-l liberals and big-L Liberals, human rights and civil liberties are core values.”
Another Grit said incredulously that some Ontarians seem more put out by the “sweeping powers they think we gave police” than by the 13 per cent harmonized sales tax that came into effect last Thursday and raised gasoline prices by 8 cents a litre.
“This was poorly handled,” said a veteran Liberal, blaming the government and the police for not communicating the issue to the public.
While McGuinty initially told the Star on June 25 of his “very strong support of this time-limited extraordinary measure,” he conceded Friday that ambiguity clouded the police powers.
“We could have—and probably should have—done something to make it perfectly clear to people what we were actually talking about,” the premier told The Canadian Press.
That’s not good enough for some frustrated Liberal MPPs.
“There’s a pattern of incompetence. Think about Andre Marin and the handling of that, think about the sex ed thing, think about the SuperCorp,” said one member.
That was a reference to the bungled reappointment of the Ontario Ombudsman, the controversial revision of the sex education curriculum, and the proposal to meld Crown corporations into one conglomerate for a partial privatization.
“This is all in a period of six months, which raises questions about management.”
hardcore trancer
Blowing bubble will get you arrested during the G20 summit. Look at these in Cops, you would think they would be more polite than that towards the public.:rolleyes:
hardcore trancer
Police breaching the charter of rights? na who cares let’s just move on and pretend nothing ever happened. Who cares about the charter of rights these days…:o
