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G20 Happenings Thread... (pg. 58)
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
A bunch of punks with banners will never get anyone's attention other then "who the hell are these idiots? get them off my porch" |
A bunch of punks with banners? Your ignorance, belligerence and simpleton way of thinking never ceases to amaze me.
You really have no idea what you are talking about. |
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| The Highroller |
Kind of like how the police @ Queen & Spadina requested that the protesters and innocent stander-bys disperse even though they were boxed in by riot police?
Sure, maybe parts of those videos were edited out. Besides a few extremists that are posting in this thread, I would defy any of you to say that there were no injustices committed by the police this weekend. Obviously the 1000+ people that marched yesterday think differently.
Also, no one seems to be giving a good reason why NINE HUNDRED PEOPLE were detained at that detention center. Do you really think that there were 900 violent protestors? Certainly not. There were many, many innocent people who got detained for way too long (20-30 hours), without any phone call or legal council, no bed and inadequate food and water.
Protesting is not a crime. Neither is wearing a black shirt when you're walking down the street. Neither is refusing to be searched and show your ID. |
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| StereoPrincess |
lol. not too be judgy but i would have arrested that chick in the video too if i had the chance.
her voice was super annoying.
anyways, all kidding aside.
protests are fine and dandy, you just have to expect some of the people that you are protesting with to cause trouble and therefore you will be associated with them and you may get caught up in the mess. you can't be a protester and at every turn scream police brutality.
and i know exactly how the cops feel. i know how the protesters feel.
you may also consider that a lot of these people were not actually arrested and charged with anything. they do not get a police record. i think the police was nice enough to do that. they were just detained and released later. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
Kind of like how the police @ Queen & Spadina requested that the protesters and innocent stander-bys disperse even though they were boxed in by riot police?
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were you there? |
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| StereoPrincess |
| does anyone know how many people were involved in the protests? a total number of protesters throughout the weekend? |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
were you there? |
No, I wasn't there. But many of the INNOCENT BY-STANDERS (i.e. people who have no reason to remain if the police ask them to disperse - they were not protesters) who were there said the same thing in interviews. They were asked to disperse by each line, but the other line was blocking them. The right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing. |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
you may also consider that a lot of these people were not actually arrested and charged with anything. they do not get a police record. i think the police was nice enough to do that. they were just detained and released later. |
Oh yes, the police were nice enough to illegally detain swaths of people, leave them in a cage for 30 hours with no bed, no legal council, no phone call and inadequate food and water, and not charge them because they had no basis for the arrest in the first place.
Nice guys! |
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| StereoPrincess |
do you really see no reason to maintain people in a certain area if you are the police?
imagine you are a police group. you have a city to protect because the entire previous day, little factions of people were running around and destroying property. what would happen if you just let those people go? and you didn't have an eye on them. what if a bomb maker was using the rain as a distraction as they set up a bomb in an alley way. or the started throwing glass at everyone. the best way to disperse the crowd at that point was to detain each person. bring them to a different spot and let them go. that's the only thing that you can do. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
Oh yes, the police were nice enough to illegally detain swaths of people, leave them in a cage for 30 hours with no bed, no legal council, no phone call and inadequate food and water, and not charge them because they had no basis for the arrest in the first place.
Nice guys! |
i think you are too personally invloved on the protesters side to see the other side.
it is a detention centre, did people really expect the ing hilton?
also, there were 900 people there. of course it's difficult to process that many people. give them a phone call, give them water, give them food. and you got a bunch of lively protesters probably cheering and yelling for the entire 30 hours.
i know you won't see the other side. but just think about it. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
Also, no one seems to be giving a good reason why NINE HUNDRED PEOPLE were detained at that detention center. Do you really think that there were 900 violent protestors? Certainly not. There were many, many innocent people who got detained for way too long (20-30 hours), without any phone call or legal council, no bed and inadequate food and water.
Protesting is not a crime. Neither is wearing a black shirt when you're walking down the street. Neither is refusing to be searched and show your ID. |
Under the criminal code of canada they could all be charged with mischief
| quote: | Mischief
430. (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully
(a) destroys or damages property;
(b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;
(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.
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and could face the following punishment
| quote: | Punishment
(2) Every one who commits mischief that causes actual danger to life is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for life.
Punishment
Destroying a will, or valuable stuff.
(3) Every one who commits mischief in relation to property that is a testamentary instrument or the value of which exceeds five thousand dollars
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
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I would say the police let them all off pretty easy. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
Oh yes, the police were nice enough to illegally detain swaths of people, leave them in a cage for 30 hours with no bed, no legal council, no phone call and inadequate food and water, and not charge them because they had no basis for the arrest in the first place.
Nice guys! |
I think you need to learn a little more about canadian law |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
do you really see no reason to maintain people in a certain area if you are the police?
imagine you are a police group. you have a city to protect because the entire previous day, little factions of people were running around and destroying property. what would happen if you just let those people go? and you didn't have an eye on them. what if a bomb maker was using the rain as a distraction as they set up a bomb in an alley way. or the started throwing glass at everyone. the best way to disperse the crowd at that point was to detain each person. bring them to a different spot and let them go. that's the only thing that you can do. |
The police were picking people off the street arbitrarily.
Just because the world leaders are in town, doesn't mean our chartered rights disappear.
| quote: | CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS
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FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS.
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
SEARCH OR SEIZURE.
8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure
DETENTION OR IMPRISONMENT.
9. Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned. |
The police and their supporters can justify it in whatever way they want, but the police clearly violated these chartered rights this weekend, and those responsible for these violations should be accountable to them. |
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