Originally posted by Abercrombie
A billion already has been spent. Why pay more?
How can you even compare this to the billion dollar spending on the G8/G20? we as people deserve to know the truth and we need answers. What is scary is that this government is doing everything it can to avoid it.
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
How can you even compare this to the billion dollar spending on the G8/G20? we as people deserve to know the truth and we need answers. What is scary is that this government is doing everything it can to avoid it.
and wouldn't it piss you off if the answers came back saying the police and government did nothing wrong.
:toothless
Shaya007
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Originally posted by jester
Iran's comments on this matter is beyond laughable.
Guess they forgot they green lit Neda (r.i.p) back in 2009.
too much Opium
Shaya007
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Originally posted by Jayx1
And im willing to bet there are large parts of iranian society that think the protesters last year in iran "got what they deserved"
Complete opposite actually imo, but there's simply so much control and censorship in place in Iran nowadays that unless you wish to suddenly disappear from the face of the Earth...
psyrel
A full public inquiry that has the scope to deal with this is what's needed, not this piecemeal approach. And whatever the cost will pale in comparison to the over $1 billion that was spent on the whole G20 fiasco.
It looks like the official G20 post-game analysis might turn out to be as convoluted and “multi-jurisdictional” as the security effort during the summit itself.
So far, despite public indignation, there are no plans for a single, pre-eminent and exhaustive review of police actions. But we do have a set of piecemeal reviews and reporting mechanisms. Here’s who’s doing what.
COMMONS STANDING COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND NATIONAL SECURITY: The NDP, Liberals and Bloc attempted on Monday (July 12) to put forward a motion for a federal inquiry into G20 security. Alas, Tory members filibustered, and the meeting ended inconclusively.
This was the best hope to date of establishing a full-spectrum inquiry. NDP MP Paul Dewar says the opposition may try again to pass such a motion before Parliament reopens in September.
TORONTO POLICE SERVICES BOARD: It’s conducting an independent civilian review to address the who-ordered-what issue – basic, really, given that the RCMP, OPP, T.O. police and other forces all had their finger in the security pie.
“The board hope is that we will get a clear understanding of who was making decisions at what point,” says chair Alok Mukherjee.
Right now, the TPSB is working on the terms of reference for the review, and Mukherjee expects these to be ready within the next few weeks. Citizens will be able to give their input at a July 22 meeting. From there, the review itself is expected to take three months. But be forewarned: this review will be limited in its scope. “The board can’t probe operational matters,” says Mukherjee, “but it can look at whether the events were conducted in accordance with board policy.”
The TPSB doesn’t have the power to compel witnesses, but, says Mukherjee, “My hope is once we have clear terms of reference and have named a reviewer, people will want to cooperate.”
OFFICE OF THE INDEPENDENT POLICE REVIEW DIRECTOR (OIPRD): It looks into the alleged police misconduct of any Ontario police force. It will be the central player in complaints about specific street-level incidents involving individual officers.
After an average of 80 complaints weekly, the number has spiked in the past two weeks. The office received 164 between June 27 and July 3, and then 122 last week.
SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT (SIU): Its mandate includes the most serious allegations of police misconduct, including severe injury and death. The SIU is currently probing five incidents of injury involving police over the summit weekend.
SPECIAL OMBUDSMAN RESPONSE TEAM (SORT): This will give the Ontario government its turn under the microscope. Ombudsman André Marin is on the trail of misinformation arising from the now notorious Regulation 233/10, an amendment to the 1939 Public Works Protection Act passed by Premier Dalton McGuinty’s cabinet June 2.
Once passed, the regulation was concealed, then misinterpreted by police as giving them the power to arrest people who refused to show ID or agree to a search within 5 metres of the security perimeter. It turns out that police appropriated extraordinary powers well beyond the 5-metre limit anyway.
TORONTO COMMUNITY MOBILIZATION NETWORK (TCMN): Even protest organizers are getting in on the action, mimicking the police’s call for photos, videos and accounts of criminal action as part of its own security review – only in this case cameras are turned on the cops.
The TCMN is even borrowing police language, calling security actions a “coordinated conspiracy” among politicians and police chiefs. Dubbed the People’s Investigation, it’s unlikely to carry a ton of weight in official channels, and its findings are virtually preordained, but spokesperson Farrah Miranda argues, “The investigation we’re proposing has significantly more and better evidence of police violence and misconduct than we believe the Toronto police have.”
“We’re also calling on people of conscience in the police and government to come forward as whistle-blowers.” No word on takers.
CANADIAN CIVIL LIBERTIES ASSOCIATION (CCLA): The CCLA is asking folks to offer their stories as part of a public complaint the group is lodging Monday (July 19) with the OIPRD. “Our hope is that the OIPRD will take an independent and transparent approach,” says CCLA lawyer Cara Zwibel. The org will also assist in class action suits.
SUMMIT MANAGEMENT AFTER-ACTION REVIEW TEAM (SMART): This is an internal operational review convened by Chief Bill Blair to study G20 policing, analyze strategies and look for future best practices. “It’s broad in its mandate,” says police spokesperson Meaghan Gray.
PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS UNIT: Toronto police are probing whether officers removed or covered over name/number tags during summit protests.
hardcore trancer
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Originally posted by psyrel
A full public inquiry that has the scope to deal with this is what's needed, not this piecemeal approach. And whatever the cost will pale in comparison to the over $1 billion that was spent on the whole G20 fiasco.
It looks like the official G20 post-game analysis might turn out to be as convoluted and “multi-jurisdictional” as the security effort during the summit itself.
So far, despite public indignation, there are no plans for a single, pre-eminent and exhaustive review of police actions. But we do have a set of piecemeal reviews and reporting mechanisms. Here’s who’s doing what.
COMMONS STANDING COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND NATIONAL SECURITY: The NDP, Liberals and Bloc attempted on Monday (July 12) to put forward a motion for a federal inquiry into G20 security. Alas, Tory members filibustered, and the meeting ended inconclusively.
This was the best hope to date of establishing a full-spectrum inquiry. NDP MP Paul Dewar says the opposition may try again to pass such a motion before Parliament reopens in September.
TORONTO POLICE SERVICES BOARD: It’s conducting an independent civilian review to address the who-ordered-what issue – basic, really, given that the RCMP, OPP, T.O. police and other forces all had their finger in the security pie.
“The board hope is that we will get a clear understanding of who was making decisions at what point,” says chair Alok Mukherjee.
Right now, the TPSB is working on the terms of reference for the review, and Mukherjee expects these to be ready within the next few weeks. Citizens will be able to give their input at a July 22 meeting. From there, the review itself is expected to take three months. But be forewarned: this review will be limited in its scope. “The board can’t probe operational matters,” says Mukherjee, “but it can look at whether the events were conducted in accordance with board policy.”
The TPSB doesn’t have the power to compel witnesses, but, says Mukherjee, “My hope is once we have clear terms of reference and have named a reviewer, people will want to cooperate.”
OFFICE OF THE INDEPENDENT POLICE REVIEW DIRECTOR (OIPRD): It looks into the alleged police misconduct of any Ontario police force. It will be the central player in complaints about specific street-level incidents involving individual officers.
After an average of 80 complaints weekly, the number has spiked in the past two weeks. The office received 164 between June 27 and July 3, and then 122 last week.
SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT (SIU): Its mandate includes the most serious allegations of police misconduct, including severe injury and death. The SIU is currently probing five incidents of injury involving police over the summit weekend.
SPECIAL OMBUDSMAN RESPONSE TEAM (SORT): This will give the Ontario government its turn under the microscope. Ombudsman André Marin is on the trail of misinformation arising from the now notorious Regulation 233/10, an amendment to the 1939 Public Works Protection Act passed by Premier Dalton McGuinty’s cabinet June 2.
Once passed, the regulation was concealed, then misinterpreted by police as giving them the power to arrest people who refused to show ID or agree to a search within 5 metres of the security perimeter. It turns out that police appropriated extraordinary powers well beyond the 5-metre limit anyway.
TORONTO COMMUNITY MOBILIZATION NETWORK (TCMN): Even protest organizers are getting in on the action, mimicking the police’s call for photos, videos and accounts of criminal action as part of its own security review – only in this case cameras are turned on the cops.
The TCMN is even borrowing police language, calling security actions a “coordinated conspiracy” among politicians and police chiefs. Dubbed the People’s Investigation, it’s unlikely to carry a ton of weight in official channels, and its findings are virtually preordained, but spokesperson Farrah Miranda argues, “The investigation we’re proposing has significantly more and better evidence of police violence and misconduct than we believe the Toronto police have.”
“We’re also calling on people of conscience in the police and government to come forward as whistle-blowers.” No word on takers.
CANADIAN CIVIL LIBERTIES ASSOCIATION (CCLA): The CCLA is asking folks to offer their stories as part of a public complaint the group is lodging Monday (July 19) with the OIPRD. “Our hope is that the OIPRD will take an independent and transparent approach,” says CCLA lawyer Cara Zwibel. The org will also assist in class action suits.
SUMMIT MANAGEMENT AFTER-ACTION REVIEW TEAM (SMART): This is an internal operational review convened by Chief Bill Blair to study G20 policing, analyze strategies and look for future best practices. “It’s broad in its mandate,” says police spokesperson Meaghan Gray.
PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS UNIT: Toronto police are probing whether officers removed or covered over name/number tags during summit protests.
Thanks very much for sharing this information. These investigations will hopefully pave the way to a full public inquiry but we aren’t there yet.
Perhaps once all the reports come out we may get our public inquiry?! It is good to see that there are many many people out there fighting for our rights and freedom and I hope that they don’t give up no matter how hard this government tries to stop them.
Jayx1
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Originally posted by Shaya007
Complete opposite actually imo, but there's simply so much control and censorship in place in Iran nowadays that unless you wish to suddenly disappear from the face of the Earth...
the moderates yes, but you are telling me that the clued out religious types in that country arent cheering the cops on?
Dictatorships and esp theocracies dont happen on their own
jon jon
Jayx1
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Originally posted by jon jon
Dude looks like DJ Dave Campbell LOL!
hardcore trancer
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Originally posted by jon jon
A good exmaple why Cops shouldnt take steroids, it s with their head and they go after little girls blowing bubbles at them.:o
Shaya007
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Originally posted by Jayx1
the clued out religious types
I'd say they represent nothing more than 20% of the entire population @ the moment with fractions among themselves even...the ultra conservatives and the more liberal minded.
hardcore trancer
Let us not forget the crimes committed by the Police at G20. This isn’t over and it will never be until we have a full public inquiry.
