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G20 Happenings Thread... (pg. 67)
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
I think in situations where heightened security measures are necessary, such as the G20 (or NYE in times square - also in a public place), people in other countries generally understand and feel comfortable giving up certain liberties to ensure one person does not blow everyone up and create a big scene. Here in Canada, I often think we believe we are invincible, like it could never happen here, Canadians would never be a target, and therefore such measures (and the sacrifices required for them) are unjust. |
yeah. a lot of people live in a bubble that just because we haven't had a major incident (last one was what, air india 20 yrs ago?), Canada is invulnerable from loonies.
after all, everyone loves Canadians, right? |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I agree that it was good for him to stand up to the police....but if you had nothing to hide then why not make it easier on everyone and just co-operate with them.
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Really dude? why the do we have to make it easy for them? why?what did he do wrong? this attitude is very wrong. Yeah lets just give them all the power they want over us.:rolleyes: |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
I think in situations where heightened security measures are necessary, such as the G20 (or NYE in times square - also in a public place), people in other countries generally understand and feel comfortable giving up certain liberties to ensure one person does not blow everyone up and create a big scene. Here in Canada, I often think we believe we are invincible, like it could never happen here, Canadians would never be a target, and therefore such measures (and the sacrifices required for them) are unjust. |
Excellent point - however it seems that noone can understand that because everyone (*cough*Jay*cough*) starts crying totalitarian state
Instead of trying to be a smartass and trying "to get out without being ID'ed", why not just comply and make everyone's life easier, ESPECIALLY because you know they can try to make YOUR life harder if you don't? I just find that attitude arrogant, and I will never have a problem with answering questions if every stopped and questioned. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
That said, if this guy went in the park and blew up it'd be a different story! Everyone fights for the charter of rights and freedoms until someone abuses them and people die. |
I'm sorry but that is a lot of speculations. We cant go and arrest people because they might commit a crime. they might as well throw all of in jail because what "if" decide to commit a crime at some point in life. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
If there was a similar level of passion in discussing the rioting goons as there is in discussing police activities this certainly would be a different city. |
yeah you would love to live in a god damn Police state wouldnt you? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
people in other countries generally understand and feel comfortable giving up certain liberties to ensure one person does not blow everyone up and create a big scene. |
Those who would give up liberty for security, deserve neither liberty nor security - Benjamin Franklin |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
Excellent point - however it seems that noone can understand that because everyone (*cough*Jay*cough*) starts crying totalitarian state
Instead of trying to be a smartass and trying "to get out without being ID'ed", why not just comply and make everyone's life easier, ESPECIALLY because you know they can try to make YOUR life harder if you don't? I just find that attitude arrogant, and I will never have a problem with answering questions if every stopped and questioned. |
i just illustrated why complying might actually make things more difficult as opposed to easier. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
i just illustrated why complying might actually make things more difficult as opposed to easier. |
don't see it? :conf: |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
why not just comply and make everyone's life easier |
lol ! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
don't see it? :conf: |
| quote: | Similar to situations ive been in MANY MANY times in the entertainment district simply for walking from my job to my car. Except i was always able to walk away from it without the search or ID check.
Its not a nice feeling to suddenly be surrounded by 8 bike cops out of nowhere when walking home.
And to those who would say "if u have nothing to hide, then whats the problem?" this video should answer that. Because the cops can use anything the want against you. Goggles? Really?? So what if i allow them to search me and they find something that is harmless that for some reason they want to argue is dangerous, like goggles? So by letting them invade my privacy i have now given them more opportunities to find reasons why i MIGHT be a criminal even if im not actually a criminal!
Imagine what they would have said if i let them search me and they found my tech work tools at 3 am?? (standard toolbox). Im sure id be booked for possession of burglary tools or some other bull charge!!
I hope this guy sues the police for every penny he can possibly get. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
lol ! |
thanks for your MASSIVE contribution to this debate, yo! lol
Jay - I'm sorry I'm with Aj re: goggles video
mask-ready bandana + goggles during G20 summit weekend = iffy |
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| Jayx1 |
I dont know how people can continue to have blind trust in the police and offer themselves up to them without question.
THE POLICE ADMITTED THEY LIED TO US LAST WEEKEND AND ADMITTED THAT THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO ARREST FOR NOT SHOWING ID AND ALLOWING SEARCHES
How can we trust them? How can anyone still trust them? Even the cops in that video wouldnt answer the guy when he asked for them to quote the law they were using to detain and search him. IF THE COPS DONT KNOW THE LAW HOW CAN THEY ENFORCE IT?
I dont trust police which is why i will not let them invade my privacy to find more things to use to make me look like a criminal. There is a reason for charter rights, warrants and freedom of movement/assembly. Remember that!!! |
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