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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
sorry I'm not ok with that. |
you're not okay with anything the police do....it is obvious that you have a problem with police.....probably due to an incident in your past. You complain because the police do too much and because they don't do enough....you can't have it both ways. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
you're not okay with anything the police do....it is obvious that you have a problem with police |
I sure do and in fact everyone should too. The Police ed up and they must pay for it.
| quote: | | .....probably due to an incident in your past. You complain because the police do too much and because they don't do enough....you can't have it both ways. |
Funny you say that because I consider myself to be a law obeying citizen but I'll tell you something if the Police crosses the line and THEY did this past weekend I will be all over them. This disaster goes well beyind the Police believe me. The Police ed up but so did the Federal and the provincial government and they must be investigated. This injustice will not be forgotten for a long time. |
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| Halycon |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Mach X
At that time, sure, that is all that mattered for the most part... they kept an eye on it, it wasn't like the black bloc was grabbing people and snapping necks execution style.
No, doesn't give them the right at all, and you shouldn't be ok with it...
But the point of my intial video WAAAASSSSS. Since the cops were obvisouly busy and apparently not there to protect the city and people frome these retarded morans. Or maybe quite possibly wanted to but were not "allowed", you, the people, the citizens of Toronto should have knocked these s on thier asses, tore them by thier hoods into the middle of the street and kicked them all for doing what they did to your city.
Now, I'm not going to any of these anti-policebrutality protests or rallys, or these bring the mayor down and get rid of the police chief protests. But if I saw anyone taking these s down from breaking people's property, painting on architecture and buildings that has been there for hundreds of years, looting, etc... and that person got in trouble for it, i'd protest that over ANYTHING else during this entire summit. |
i whole heartedly agree withyou... i got kicked out of the staff cafeteria twice beacuse i got too worked up watching people just take picutre of those thugs destroying our city |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Most think G20 police actions justified, poll finds
The majority of Torontonians believe police actions against G20 protesters were justified, according to a new poll.
The Angus Reid poll, which surveyed 1,003 Canadians and 503 Torontonians, found that 73 per cent of Torontonians and two-thirds of Canadians believe police treatment of protesters was justified during the G20 summit.
It also found that 80 per cent of Canadians and 90 per cent of Torontonians think the federal government should compensate businesses damaged or forced to close during the summit. Other findings:
• Two-thirds of Canadians are disgusted with the G20 demonstrations in Toronto. Fifty-nine per cent are ashamed, 57 per cent are angry and 54 per cent are sad.
• In Toronto, 81 per cent said they are disgusted with the G20 protests, while 74 per cent are angry, 65 per cent are sad and 61 per cent feel ashamed.
• Seventy-three per cent of Torontonians and 57 per cent of Canadians believe it was a mistake to hold the summit in Toronto.
• Only 31 per cent of Canadians and 46 per cent of Torontonians say they followed the final comments from participating nations closely or moderately closely.
• Fifty-three per cent of Canadians and 86 per cent of Torontonians watched the protests closely or moderately closely. |
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| jester |
| If that was brutal... theres no words to describe Iran's protests last summer and Bangkok's protest back in March. |
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| DJ Mach X |
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Roger Reis Works for Bank of Montreal, and Also Tackles G20 Looters
http://torontoist.com
When Roger Reis walked out of his gym at Yonge and Dundas last Saturday afternoon, he walked into his city being "torn apart."
"Everyone knew the G20 was going on," he says, "but I had no idea of the magnitude?I don't think anybody did." So, curious to know and see more, Reis joined the massive crowd of people going by on Yonge. "You walk around at a safe distance, but you want to see what's going on, how bad it can actually get." And when it got bad?when Reis found himself in the midst of a "handful of lunatics" smashing windows and looting stores, with no uniformed police in sight?he took it upon himself to make things a bit better.
As he stood outside the Bell Store on Yonge south of College, a man walked through the newly smashed window, grabbed a box with a phone inside, and walked out, which is right when Reis grabbed the man, wrestled him easily to the ground, threw the box back into the store, and yelled "Don't steal!" A few feet away, Corey Surge recorded the whole seventeen-second encounter in a video that's now been watched more than 700,000 times.
"There was no thought behind it," Reis explains about his decision to tackle the looter. Burlington-born and thirty-seven years old, Reis is a Bank of Montreal employee with the appropriate job title of "Six Sigma Black Belt," who also happens to have a real second-degree black belt in Goju karate ("But that was a long time ago," he laughs). "It's not like a big premeditated thing: there was no storyboard, there was no whiteboard with a grease pencil," he says. "In retrospect, I should have been a little bit more afraid. But to be honest, I didn't think about it...the video itself was seventeen seconds, the thought process behind it was a couple of seconds."
When he tells the story now, Reis sounds like he was concerned more about the looter's safety than his, anyway. "It's a younger guy," he explains. "You don't want to hurt him, obviously."
Reis stayed with the crowd when it turned to move west at Yonge and College. At College Park on the southwest corner, "people were throwing bottles and rocks....and a bunch of them were trying to rush the doors," Reis says. He tried to help again, standing with the building's security guards who were "trying to convince everybody to back up. Which is," he laughs, "a completely ridiculous thing to do in hindsight, but at the time it seemed to make sense." (A photographer for Getty caught him there, helping to hold back the crowd.)
Throughout the afternoon he spent with the crowd?of rioters, looters, bystanders, and media?Reis realized just how small the group of violent protesters was. He figures there were "only like a core group of ten or fifteen people that were actually vandalizing. The overwhelming vast majority of other people were just like us. They were just curious. It's like, 'Wow, how could this happen?'"
Still, Reis, who by all accounts should not have needed to be the one to tackle looters, won't blame police officers for their apparent absence. "I think they did a great job," he says, of the Integrated Security Unit's work over the weekend of the G20. "I've never been a police officer, but...what are you really going to do? Are you going to hold the line, and keep each other safe, and look out for macro-level crimes? Or are you going to go after every wacko with a lighter and a camera? What would you do? You can't monitor every finger and every hand in a mob. You're probably just going to sit back and watch for people getting hurt."
As for being the centre of attention now, Reis says, "I think it is pretty cool?I mean, nothing like this has ever happened to me before?but I think that a lot went on where people tried to do the right thing. A lot of people wanted to protect the city, wanted to protect property, but they just didn't get lucky being at the right place at the right time for someone with a camera on them to spread it around." (To their credit, Bell is giving Reis a smartphone, and a $1,000 donation to the charity of his choosing, for protecting their property.) "I think," Reis concludes, "all of Toronto wants a do-over. If we could only do it over, it would be different, because I think everybody would restrain everybody breaking everything."
Plus, Reis explains, he can even understand some of the more violent protesters' cause, if not their methods. "Certainly there's a polarization of wealth and power happening in the world," he says. "But there's probably more constructive ways [to challenge it] than smashing a Mamma's Pizza."
Photos by Miles Storey/Torontoist. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| WOW lots and lots of prople showed up today at the protest. 3000 people at least from what I saw. Lots of questions and lots of concerned Canadians out there. It was awesome walking with everyone today. Believe me this is not over trust me. The people wont just let Blair, McGuinty and Harper walk away from this. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | G20 prisoner #0106: Sa
The inside story of Torontoname Bay, cell block OL6
By RACHEL SA, TORONTO SUN
Last Updated: July 1, 2010 3:30pm
When police officers act like criminals, democracy dies a little.
That’s what we face in Toronto in the aftermath of the G20 debacle amid reports of police misconduct. Officers making Holocaust jokes, mocking people begging for water and laughing at detained women forced to urinate in public and wipe themselves while handcuffed.
These despicable actions should not happen in Toronto. But they did happen to hundreds who were swept up and held in deplorable conditions at the Eastern Avenue detention centre.
When thug anarchists swept Toronto’s core, I thought anything police did to quell the violence was justified.
I was wrong.
Tommy Taylor was a victim — and eyewitness. Taylor, 28, was walking home with his girlfriend Saturday night when he stopped to observe a peaceful protest in front of the Novotel. The police descended. Some people were protesting. Some, like Taylor and his girlfriend, were just walking by. One couple had the misfortune to step onto the Esplanade after dinner at the Keg as police swooped. They, too, were arrested.
I have known Taylor since we were both in high school. He is a gentle soul. His details of the 23-hour ordeal that unfolded should shame and outrage every Canadian.
At the Eastern Avenue detention centre, Taylor describes a scene out of a horror film: “Rows of cages with people bleeding, crying, slumped on the concrete floor. Huddled, asking to call family, asking for water, asking what the charge is, wanting to know their rights.
“All the officers were ignoring them — or laughing.”
As many as 40 men or women were crammed per cage in freezing, filthy conditions, without room to lie down on the concrete floor.
It’s a detention centre. You don’t expect luxury. But in Canada you should expect to be treated like a human being. No charges were laid for hours, no answers given, no phone calls allowed.
Taylor was Prisoner #0106 in cell block OL 6. What he heard appalled him.
One officer joked: “What do they think this is, Auschwitz?”
Several officers laughed at one girl crying for her overdue medication and taunted her by jangling their keys against the cage.
A Barrie officer told a young man with cerebral palsy: “Stop being stupid.”
Taylor could not identify most officers because they refused to give their names and had removed their name badges.
Begged for water
Taylor begged for water for nine hours and eventually passed out. He came to on the floor outside, was given Tang, then shoved back in.
When detained women begged for pads or tampons, male guards laughed and said: “That explains your attitudes.”
The full details of indignity, injustice and cruelty need more than this column. But Taylor documented his ordeal in an 11,000-word posting on Facebook that makes your blood boil and your stomach churn.
Not all officers behaved like thugs. Taylor reports several broke down emotionally in the chaos. One female officer wept, saying: “This is so wrong. You shouldn’t be here.”
The men sardined in Taylor’s cell got the attention of Toronto Special Police Constable White and asked him about the deplorable conditions.
“I’m just a pea in a pod. I can’t help,” White said.
Maybe you believe that anyone near a G20 protest should have expected to be arrested, whether they were protesting or not, violent or not.
But even if that is so, no one — violent protestor, peaceful activist, or regular citizen in the wrong place at the wrong time — deserved the sadistic treatment.
This cannot rest, no matter how many lame justifications or show-and-tell displays the police stage. The damage done to the psyche of the city is far more severe than the broken windows and senseless vandalism inflicted by the handful of idiot anarchists — and it will take much longer to heal.
Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair has a lot to answer for. |
[email protected] Twitter: Rachel_Sa |
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| Yohan |
| lol. ironic that only thing this G20 summit brought attention to was not the issues that the protesters were protesting about, but Toronto police |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | WARMINGTON: What's right, what's wrong
City needs an inquiry to get at the truth
By JOE WARMINGTON, TORONTO SUN
The truth is, we have no idea, any more, what is true.
Turns out the scary-looking arrows Deputy Police Chief Tony Warr posed with Tuesday to emphasize the kind of danger police faced during G20 weren’t related to the riots in any way.
That display was mere moments after Chief Bill Blair stood over a table featuring a crossbow and chain saw, and was forced to admit they were also unrelated.
The cross bow and the arrows are also unrelated to each other, and nobody yet has properly explained what the hell they were doing at that press conference.
Are we sure we want police to investigate themselves about how they handled this whole G20 debacle?
Honest mistakes? Plausible explanations?
It may be a small thing to some, but very telling to others interested in maintaining civil rights and due process.
There have been some questionable decisions by police brass lately but surely they would not try to enhance their case of justifying martial law-like tactics by purposely misleading the public.
Still, anybody wonder what else on that table of weapons at police headquarters Tuesday was not connected?
A few?
None?
Do we trust them?
Same goes for the allegations against the hundreds of people incarcerated in Torontonamo Bay on Eastern Ave.
There are dozens of stories of mistreatment and abuse of power during a time of alleged suspension of civil liberties.
Are they just lying because the chief of police says they are lying?
Do they get the same kind of benefit of the doubt we are asked to provide him and his deputy?
Do they get a hearing to tell their version of events that, by being in the vicinity of Black Bloc rioters, they somehow shielded them or were complicit in their criminal rampage?
Or do we just once again have to take the word of the same police leadership that presented false evidence to build their case before the public?
There are so many viewpoints on this whole billion-dollar mess and no one person has it just right.
Not Chief Blair, not the arrested or detained individuals, not the front line officers — who tell me the brass retreated on the bad guys before taking it out on everybody else — not you, not me or my media colleagues.
We all have perspectives of what went on and in our free society we have to make sure all of these points of view, video, photographs and testimonials are aired publicly.
This is why we need to take this investigation out of Blair’s hands and have an independent process.
We need to find out what transpired here and even though there are many trying to shut this down and march on, there are many who value transparency and won’t let that happen, including former Toronto Police officer Ross McLean.
“I recommend The Honourable Thomas R. Braidwood, Q.C.,” to chair an inquiry, the veteran former officer said. “Having just finished with the Braidwood Inquiry with the police actions involving Robert Dziekanski’s death at the hands of the RCMP, he is the perfect man for the job.”
He cites how “many of the legal and constitutional issues he dealt with and researched are the exact same issues at stake in Toronto.”
He says those include “the use of force, five officers on one person, justified use of force, fear of the stapler, in Toronto fear of people singing O Canada ... and were protesters in Toronto causing a disturbance?”
Now in private security, McLean, who’s not afraid of calling it as he finds it, said Braidwood is “credible, familiar with police investigating police — and in senior officers being implicit in cover-ups” and “he could start quickly and avoid delays from his experience with the Dzieanski death.”
Or we can just let Blair and Warr handle it and hope they don’t mix up the evidence again.
Happy Canada Day everybody. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
lol. ironic that only thing this G20 summit brought attention to was not the issues that the protesters were protesting about, but Toronto police |
and as anyone in clubland can attest, the toronto police needed the scrutiny. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
and as anyone in clubland can attest, the toronto police needed the scrutiny. |
i think you're missing my point. lol |
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