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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
However, the argumentative tactics hardcore trancer uses in this thread are all over the place. He is the jayx1 of the G20...G20x1, as it were. |
I'm presenting facts and information here and what you make of them is up to you. I care about my rights and my civil liberties and I will continue to defend them as long as I live.
| quote: | | If the police had pre-emptively stopped all of the looting, vandalizing, and car burning it would have involved using force against those who had not yet done anything wrong. |
You see though that’s exactly what they did on Sunday they arrested and used violent against everyone on the streets of downtown and for what?
What did that achieve for them? These people were far away from the summit area. Why did they have to arrest people from the media and physically abuse them? How is that tactic useful to stop the Black Bloc?
| quote: | | It just drives me nuts that when some idiot throws a molotov cocktail into an unattended police car, it's the police force's fault. That does not make sense. |
What frustrates me even more is that the Police just left their cars unattended and let it burn. What also frustrates me is that the Police used these incidents as justifications 24 hours later to everybody up. |
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| psyrel |
A really good article in today's Star.
A Rough Lesson in Civics by Lisa Taylor, Associate Professor, School of Education, Bishop’s University
Recently, a student newspaper reporter asked a professor what every undergrad should do as part of the university experience. My colleague suggested taking part in student cultural life — join a club, put on a play! Giving back to the local community — volunteer at a local community centre or shelter! And becoming an active citizen — develop informed views on the issues most important to you! Decide how to live out your values! Go to a demonstration!
Recounting this anecdote, my colleague asked herself: Would she offer undergrads the same advice now, after the largest mass arrest in Canadian history?
Of course she would — but that teachers are asking ourselves this question this should worry us as Canadians.
As educators, our job is preparing active citizens with a strong concern for civic institutions and a sense of duty to participate in democratic processes of public debate, community and civic organizing and shaping policy.
What does civic participation mean? One: critical thinking, seeking out diverse sources and dissenting perspectives on issues that affect all of us on this Earth, particularly those excluded from decision-making echelons of power. Two: understanding, interpreting and exercising the rights and freedoms enshrined in Canadian law. Thoughtfully forming and communicating our views to our elected representatives. Three: engaging in collective discussion and debate. Protecting an inclusive public sphere, especially when it’s threatened.
All three forms of democratic participation were not only threatened but, in sweeping numbers, criminalized and punished during the G20 summit.
Canadians’ civil right of access to information through a healthy, diverse and independent media was violated by the intimidation and detention of independent and mainstream journalists (ask Steve Paikin).
Our rights to public expression, assembly, debate and protest were put under martial law. Let’s not forget: not only is protest a right, it’s a civic duty and the safeguard of democracy. Passive populations invite abuse of power.
Amnesty International and the Canadian Civil Liberties Association conclude that an “unprecedented, disproportionate and, at times, unconstitutional” police response “narrowed the space for civic expression and cast a chill over citizen participation in public discourse.” The Twittersphere and Facebook were abuzz that Sunday with warnings of police detaining, searching and intimidating anyone carrying a bag or wearing black, particularly young adults and people of colour.
What was the lesson of the mass “kettling” of not only a peaceful sit-in, but anyone watching, walking their dog or waiting for the streetcar at the Queen/Spadina intersection that Sunday afternoon? As I watched the live CP24 coverage of over 100 individuals corralled and shivering for four hours in the severe thunderstorm with no access to information, explanation of their offence, legal counsel, shelter, warm clothing, food, water, medication, washrooms or dignity, I asked myself: What should we learn? That “responsible citizens” get the message and stay home?
This was the criminalization of the very act of witnessing. I’ve learned from friends — survivors of police states and military dictatorships — that the primary guarantor of civic safety and constitutional rights is a street full of witnesses.
In the youth drawn to the Queen/Spadina sit-in, I saw my own past students: curious, with limited political literacy but an unshakable faith in their Charter rights and freedoms. Here was the answer to years of civic and global education, years of teaching my students of our ethical civic obligation to stay informed, envision a better world and act in solidarity on that vision.
The “summit show” taught anyone watching clear lessons in fear and apathy: Stay home. Accept that 20 individuals from 20 selectively chosen nations need $1 billion in protection to put the world’s most vulnerable populations on a crash diet to pay for Wall Street’s unregulated greed, all the while ignoring the Earth. Follow the media, not your own eyes. Condemn those who sought to witness the evacuation of the public space and blame them for daring to gather. One woman, returning barefoot and shaken from 23 hours of detention, was chastened by her roommates: “Then why did you protest?”
Wherein lies our responsibility then? When we teach our students of the duty to think critically and participate in democratic processes, are we putting them at risk of public humiliation, detention without explanation, harsh confinement, verbal and physical intimidation, harassment and an enduring sense of insecurity and fear?
My colleagues are refusing to let this happen. Over 200 university, college and public school educators have signed an open lettered demanding an independent public inquiry into the Integrated Security Unit’s actions during the G8 and G20 summits. |
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| Jayx1 |
i have been saying this for years. Which is why i think canada is in so much trouble, and most people dont know it yet:
| quote: | | Passive populations invite abuse of power. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
i have been saying this for years. Which is why i think canada is in so much trouble, and most people dont know it yet: |
But as long as they wear their poppy flowers on November 11th it's all good. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by psyrel
A really good article in today's Star.
A Rough Lesson in Civics by Lisa Taylor, Associate Professor, School of Education, Bishop’s University
Recently, a student newspaper reporter asked a professor what every undergrad should do as part of the university experience. My colleague suggested taking part in student cultural life — join a club, put on a play! Giving back to the local community — volunteer at a local community centre or shelter! And becoming an active citizen — develop informed views on the issues most important to you! Decide how to live out your values! Go to a demonstration!
Recounting this anecdote, my colleague asked herself: Would she offer undergrads the same advice now, after the largest mass arrest in Canadian history?
Of course she would — but that teachers are asking ourselves this question this should worry us as Canadians.
As educators, our job is preparing active citizens with a strong concern for civic institutions and a sense of duty to participate in democratic processes of public debate, community and civic organizing and shaping policy.
What does civic participation mean? One: critical thinking, seeking out diverse sources and dissenting perspectives on issues that affect all of us on this Earth, particularly those excluded from decision-making echelons of power. Two: understanding, interpreting and exercising the rights and freedoms enshrined in Canadian law. Thoughtfully forming and communicating our views to our elected representatives. Three: engaging in collective discussion and debate. Protecting an inclusive public sphere, especially when it’s threatened.
All three forms of democratic participation were not only threatened but, in sweeping numbers, criminalized and punished during the G20 summit.
Canadians’ civil right of access to information through a healthy, diverse and independent media was violated by the intimidation and detention of independent and mainstream journalists (ask Steve Paikin).
Our rights to public expression, assembly, debate and protest were put under martial law. Let’s not forget: not only is protest a right, it’s a civic duty and the safeguard of democracy. Passive populations invite abuse of power.
Amnesty International and the Canadian Civil Liberties Association conclude that an “unprecedented, disproportionate and, at times, unconstitutional” police response “narrowed the space for civic expression and cast a chill over citizen participation in public discourse.” The Twittersphere and Facebook were abuzz that Sunday with warnings of police detaining, searching and intimidating anyone carrying a bag or wearing black, particularly young adults and people of colour.
What was the lesson of the mass “kettling” of not only a peaceful sit-in, but anyone watching, walking their dog or waiting for the streetcar at the Queen/Spadina intersection that Sunday afternoon? As I watched the live CP24 coverage of over 100 individuals corralled and shivering for four hours in the severe thunderstorm with no access to information, explanation of their offence, legal counsel, shelter, warm clothing, food, water, medication, washrooms or dignity, I asked myself: What should we learn? That “responsible citizens” get the message and stay home?
This was the criminalization of the very act of witnessing. I’ve learned from friends — survivors of police states and military dictatorships — that the primary guarantor of civic safety and constitutional rights is a street full of witnesses.
In the youth drawn to the Queen/Spadina sit-in, I saw my own past students: curious, with limited political literacy but an unshakable faith in their Charter rights and freedoms. Here was the answer to years of civic and global education, years of teaching my students of our ethical civic obligation to stay informed, envision a better world and act in solidarity on that vision.
The “summit show” taught anyone watching clear lessons in fear and apathy: Stay home. Accept that 20 individuals from 20 selectively chosen nations need $1 billion in protection to put the world’s most vulnerable populations on a crash diet to pay for Wall Street’s unregulated greed, all the while ignoring the Earth. Follow the media, not your own eyes. Condemn those who sought to witness the evacuation of the public space and blame them for daring to gather. One woman, returning barefoot and shaken from 23 hours of detention, was chastened by her roommates: “Then why did you protest?”
Wherein lies our responsibility then? When we teach our students of the duty to think critically and participate in democratic processes, are we putting them at risk of public humiliation, detention without explanation, harsh confinement, verbal and physical intimidation, harassment and an enduring sense of insecurity and fear?
My colleagues are refusing to let this happen. Over 200 university, college and public school educators have signed an open lettered demanding an independent public inquiry into the Integrated Security Unit’s actions during the G8 and G20 summits. |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Swamper
A timely article. Lots of examples of 'motivated reasoning' happening in this thread alone.
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| jon jon |
this looks SOOO photoshopped |
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| Abercrombie |
| Keanu Reeves wanted for questioning. |
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| Abercrombie |
Sasha >>>  |
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| hardcore trancer |
20,000 officers couldn’t stop these kids? They don’t even look like Black bloc tbh . I find it incredible that 1.2 billion was spent and they still need the public's help with it... :rolleyes:
Now let’s start going after those officers that abused their powers on innocent people? Shall we?
Is it me or it seem like the Police didn't arrest anyone who actually committed any crimes during the actual summit, so wtf were they doing exactly? |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
20,000 officers couldn’t stop these kids? They don’t even look like Black bloc tbh . I find it incredible that 1.2 billion was spent and they still need the public's help with it... :rolleyes:
Now let’s start going after those officers that abused their powers on innocent people? Shall we?
Is it me or it seem like the Police didn't arrest anyone who actually committed any crimes during the actual summit, so wtf were they doing exactly? |
They arrested 20+ people I think? For sure they made arrests, just not to where it warranted apprehending 900 people to do it. (IMO) |
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