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| Endlesswave |
Ok so to end this discussion:
ALL protesters are douchebags who even if they were peaceful should NOT have been protesting because of the few bad apples that spoiled the entire thing. It just makes them 'look' like accomplices. Oh no.
The cops were completely justified in aprehending any and everyone they deemed necessary for the good of the people and summit going on.
EOD. ;) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
why not? |
| quote: | | i dont support the cause of comminists and anti capitalists |
edit: but i do support their right to peacefully protest and support their charter rights. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
Ok so to end this discussion:
ALL protesters are douchebags who even if they were peaceful should NOT have been protesting because of the few bad apples that spoiled the entire thing. It just makes them 'look' like accomplices. Oh no.
The cops were completely justified in aprehending any and everyone they deemed necessary for the good of the people and summit going on.
EOD. ;) |
That is a ed up mentality and it is ed how some people actually believe that. Dont forget Kris there are MANY people out there that are on our side so dont pay too much attention to 3 people on Tranceaddict. I bet you when does hit the fan even though it already has then they will change their opninions instantly. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
That's all he ever has. Quite the bore if you ask me. |
Then dont in read and dont even bother posting here. why bother? |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
That is a ed up mentality and it is ed how some people actually believe that. Dont forget Kris there are MANY people out there that are on our side so dont pay too much attention to 3 people on Tranceaddict. I bet you when does hit the fan even though it already has then they will change their opninions instantly. |
I wish I did screen shots of my FB feed on the weekend :) it's definitely more then 3 people |
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| Jayx1 |
| some people will never learn unless they learn the hard way. In that case, I hope those people never learn. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I wish I did screen shots of my FB feed on the weekend :) it's definitely more then 3 people |
Hmm you should ask "all those people" how they feel about things now Kris. |
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| smuncky |
some of my photos.
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| psyrel |
I'm chiming in very late here but I was in the large People First march on Saturday (and btw, it did have a permit).
The large march on Saturday had many different groups involved. Issues such as maternal health, health care spending, the undemocratic process of the G8/20, climate change are the ones I saw. With such divergent topics you can't expect a single unified theme. The logic behind one big march was for solidarity. I'm sure safety was an issue too as there were march marshalls (they formed a line to divert people north at Queen/Spadina, away from the BB people in the middle of the intersection).
This protest rally and march were totally non-violent.
At Queen/Spadina there were some BB activists but the march marshalls quickly diverted our crowd north onto Spadina so we could continue back to Queen's Park. Because it was a family friendly event there were kids and elderly people, our group had someone in a wheelchair and a pregnant woman. People wanted to peacefully protest and they did.
Why didn't the protesters hold/surround the BB? The simple answer is that's not our job. Families, kids, elderly people were in the march. Personally, all I saw were a group of ~200 people dressed in black at the intersection of Queen/Spadina. They weren't doing anything violent, just standing and some had red&black flags. I didn't see any weapons. The smoke flares didn't get lit until we had reached back up to College so most of the protesters weren't even in the area when the violence occured.
We ended back in Queen's Park ~3:30pm. I was there til almost 7 and it got bizarre. The park was just being used as a place to congregate it was even labelled as the designated protest zone. It wasn't a location of strategic importance, it wasn't like it was a secure blockade since many were cutting through UofT. But yet hundreds of cops were used to clear out peaceful protesters and onlookers in a park while a car gets torched down on Queen Street. People were being funneled north but also east towards Yonge Street - where the vandals had been active earlier, this didn't make sense to me.
IMO the main reason why the message of the protesters didn't get out is the media coverage. There certainly was a lot of media at Queen's Park before the march started and following us along the route. I saw many groups being interviewed. I don't know if any of this got aired or not. Cause then the BB violence occurred and that's ALL the media fixated on from that point. How many times did you see the same car burn over and over? I was angry by the reports that the march became violent. It didn't. Thousands of people walked back to Queen's Park without incident. But their very important messages got overshadowed by the BB vandals.
After the overwhelming display of riot police intimidation and violence later at Queen's Park I made the decision to stay home on Sunday. I really didn't want the risk of being held at the detention center (see Tommy Taylor's testimonial below on the conditions). I was really angry with myself cause I should have had the courage to go back out. I also felt guilty. There were several peaceful protests on Sunday and they could have used my support and the support of others. But many stayed at home because (like me) they were scared.
I am very glad and appreciative of the protesters that went back out on Sunday. They chose to stand up for their peaceful right to assembly. And whether you agree they were silly to be there or not, they had a right to do so.
The Queen/Spadina fiasco is something I'm still upset about. But because so many media people got caught it caused the news to ask questions about why such a heavy-handed approach used. And why this approach wasn't used the previous day, you know the one with actual vandalism. The same news coverage I was angry with the day before suddenly became the driving force in asking the hard questions.
Some have asked why the protesters didn't use other tactics to get their point across. Many of them do. Some groups have volunteers working year-round to advocate their cause. Attending the rally was just one means of doing so. Others have said that the protesters should have done something more productive than marching. The point of the march was to protest against the G20 itself or issues they felt the G20 wasn't addressing.
This guy's story about what he went through left me stunned.
Tommy Taylor: How I Got Arrested and Abused at the G20 in Toronto, Canada
Many people are calling for an independent inquiry into what happened and hopefully some of you will support it.
http://ccla.org/ |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Then dont in read and dont even bother posting here. why bother? |
Blah, blah, blah. USA. Blah, blah, blah. Israel. Blah, blah blah. Police. Blah, blah, blah. Gov't. |
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| Tordan |
Great post, Tara. Thank you for your account of the events that unfolded on Saturday.
| quote: | Originally posted by psyrel
The same news coverage I was angry with the day before suddenly became the driving force in asking the hard questions.
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No kidding! They were all over it on Sunday after they were personally affected. On Saturday we kept directing tweets at them about various things that were going on. Especially the mass arrest in front of the Novotel but no coverage whatsoever. Seemed like Steve Paikin was the only person who had something to say about it. |
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| Pett |
| quote: | Originally posted by psyrel
Many people are calling for an independent inquiry into what happened and hopefully some of you will support it.
http://ccla.org/ |
Thanks, signed.
I don't know how anybody couldn't support an independent inquiry at this point |
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