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The Official TOTA Toronto Maple Leafs/Hockey Talk Thread (pg. 39)
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| High on PSI |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I agree....he is an over rated player. Take a look at Ottawa....they have three players that you could easily say are in the top 25 players in the NHL....Toronto....hmmmmm........maybe Sundin gets number 25 but that would be pushing it. |
While i agree, that Mats is past his prime, he is still certainly a top 25 player.
You can say OTT has 3 top 25 players, but really, do you think all of them would be as good as they other without each other. Mats, even up until now, has been a solid PPG player thats been stuck with 3rd line players. Yet, he still raises the game of those around him. How else does a guy like Jonas Hoglund score almost 30g's in season?
Mats can still dominate, he showed that at the end of last season. Its just a shame he still has no support out there. Now that he's on the decline, he's starting to need it. Heck, he set up 2 point point blank chances for Wellwood and Poni but they couldnt even finish. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by High on PSI
The maple leafs and any other hockey team in the NHL makes a great deal of its revenue through sales of playoff tickets. Prices are higher, and the more games you play, the more money you will make. So, it is in the best interest (financially) of every team to go as far as you can.
Prior to the salary cap, Toronto was only behind the Rangers for highest payroll, and even now, theyre spending the maximum.
Dont be naive, the Leafs want to win a championship, its just not the only facet of the business for them. |
honnestly, how much money do they put in their pockets clean for every playoff game? 1M MAX!
thats peanuts compared to their global operating budget. |
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| High on PSI |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
honnestly, how much money do they put in their pockets clean for every playoff game? 1M MAX!
thats peanuts compared to their global operating budget. |
Yeah but MLSE is huge... The leafs franchise barely makes up a third of their assets, and if i remember correctly, they have approx. $1B in assets. Other than the condo's its the teams (and to much less extend telivision) that continue to bring in money through ticket sales, concessions, and merchandise.
If you look at the team as a single part of the equation, you see the difference in revenue that the team itself can produce.
http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2003/1208/nhl_3.html
Sure, that may be just one part of MLSE, but the ability to increase revenue from tickets substantially is there. A few million dollars missed is a lot of money, and a big deal, even if you dont give a about the team. |
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| Candeeman |
| quote: | Originally posted by High on PSI
While i agree, that Mats is past his prime, he is still certainly a top 25 player.
You can say OTT has 3 top 25 players, but really, do you think all of them would be as good as they other without each other. Mats, even up until now, has been a solid PPG player thats been stuck with 3rd line players. Yet, he still raises the game of those around him. How else does a guy like Jonas Hoglund score almost 30g's in season?
Mats can still dominate, he showed that at the end of last season. Its just a shame he still has no support out there. Now that he's on the decline, he's starting to need it. Heck, he set up 2 point point blank chances for Wellwood and Poni but they couldnt even finish. |
Well said......Well said............ |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by High on PSI
While i agree, that Mats is past his prime, he is still certainly a top 25 player.
You can say OTT has 3 top 25 players, but really, do you think all of them would be as good as they other without each other. Mats, even up until now, has been a solid PPG player thats been stuck with 3rd line players. Yet, he still raises the game of those around him. How else does a guy like Jonas Hoglund score almost 30g's in season?
Mats can still dominate, he showed that at the end of last season. Its just a shame he still has no support out there. Now that he's on the decline, he's starting to need it. Heck, he set up 2 point point blank chances for Wellwood and Poni but they couldnt even finish. |
Top 50 maybe but not even close to a top 25 player. He isn't even a top 25 forward. Don't get me wrong...he is a good player and he makes the players he plays with better but he is far from a dominating figure out there that teams are scared of.
I'm a huge Leafs Fan but Toronto doesn't stand a chance when they can't bring in big name players.....and that is the problem. Ferguson is a bum and this will be his last season as GM and they need to get rid of Sundin because his contract is just too much....there are much better players out there making a lot less then Sundin. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
The cap only applies to players, there are other considerations to be made when making a winning team. The fact that they have a moron for a GM speaks volumes about their commitment to victory. |
I will agree they do have a moron as GM but he will be gone after this season.
Toronto can't get big name players to want to play in Toronto....that is the problem....well....they do get them to come play here when they are ready to retire.
The best thing for Toronto....go in the tank......get some young stars and start over....The only position Toronto will be fighting for is last place. |
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| magikb |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
A bit too high of an expectation I think |
not really when you think about it.
Honestly, the Leafs have so many fans and each and every year they make it into the playoffs only to disappoint and choke once again. They need to do something with the team. Obviously what they have been doing isn't working out so well for them so change it up and get yourself a winning team. I am not even a fan and I would love to see the Leafs win a cup before I die.
Die hard Leaf fans must cry once hockey season rolls around every year knowing what the outcome is gonna be before the first exhibition game even starts. I know I would. |
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| sufee_b |
| their division will be so tuogh this year as if it wasnt last year...I mean forget about ottawa and buffalo, they wil ldo well in the regular season no doubt...mtl will do average but boston has a strong line up this year...i could see leafs come in 5th in that division alone..let alone carolina, nj, philly, rangers probably making into the playoffs...doesnt look good..especially the raycroft played |
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| Candeeman |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I'm a huge Leafs Fan but Toronto doesn't stand a chance when they can't bring in big name players.....and that is the problem. Ferguson is a bum and this will be his last season as GM and they need to get rid of Sundin because his contract is just too much....there are much better players out there making a lot less then Sundin. |
And there are a lot worse players making a lot more.
Sundin for Mayor!!!!! :cool:
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| darouge11 |
| wow 3-0 for toronto i jus cheked..boom shaka-lacka |
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| ak87 |
5-0!!!!!!
3rd period coming
a very nice payback game!:eyespop: :eyespop: :eyespop: :tongue3 :tongue3 |
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| Candeeman |
| quote: | Originally posted by ak87
5-0!!!!!!
3rd period coming
a very nice payback game!:eyespop: :eyespop: :eyespop: :tongue3 :tongue3 |
NYET!
It's 6-0, with 5min left!!! |
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