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| stren |
| wasn't it 2 episodes ? I've watched 2. Pretty nice, more payoff less questions |
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
| Found it to be a bit of a disappointment. Confrimed what everyone suspected. The Dharma bits were quite cool though, but the rest was way too slow and drawn out. |
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_
Found it to be a bit of a disappointment. Confrimed what everyone suspected. The Dharma bits were quite cool though, but the rest was way too slow and drawn out. |
Really? I thought it was pretty straightforward. By far the best season premiere yet. |
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| woscar |
I came up with this explanation of what's happening with Desmond and Faraday, thought some of you guys would enjoy reading it ;)
I've seen several topics where the question of what exactly happens when Faraday is able to "change" something by talking to Desmond and then, him suddenly remembering that in the "future". This appears to contradict what Daniel said about changing things:
"Time, it is like a stream. Alright, we can move forward on that stream, we can move in reverse, but we cannot ever create a new stream. If we try to do anything different, we will fail every time. Whatever happened, happened."
Actually, it doesn't contradict anything. Read on...
Let's take Daniel's own example of time being like a stream. Imagine that stream has mile markers along the path. When Ben moves the island we are almost at the "December 31, 2004" marker. After that, the island is transported to a different marker in the past prior to the crash of flight 815.
It moves in time 3 more times and appears to finally stay put at another point in the past, prior to the crash (all the time shifts are really not that relevant, what's important is the end result, which is that the island travels to the past to the time the Dharma Initiative still lived there).
From certain details given in the episode, it can be inferred that when Daniel knocks on the Swan entrance and talks to Desmond, the island is sitting somewhere between 2001 (when Desmond arrived to the island) and September 22nd, 2004 (the day flight 815 crashed on the island).
Also, from the plot of the show we learn that time outside of the island continues it's normal course. The O6 are found, and the whole off-island storyline of Season 4 and what we've seen of Season 5 develops. This spans nearly three years, according to what we've seen on the show.
Those last two paragraphs are the key to understanding what happened when Desmond and Daniel exchange words outside of the hatch and Desmond's sudden memory in the future.
Nothing is being changed, what happened, happened. Flight 815 still crashed on the island and the whole plot of the show still happened exactly as we saw on TV. What Daniel manages to change though, is the actual future, the one happening outside of the island which has not happened yet. He is not creating a new timeline, he's just adding to it. That's why Desmond appears to remember his encounter all of a sudden at a random point. But this is not a random point, it is precisely the exact point in time where things are happening. Where time is being "written" if you will.
I hope I was able to explain this clearly enough, in a way that makes sense to all of you. |
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| TranceGiant |
What you're saying basically is that manipulating the past is only possible to the extent that the results of this manipulation occur in the "absolute future" (events following the point in the the time travelling started backwards) and do no affect events in the "relative future" (events in between the manipulated past event and the point in time of the initial time travel).
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
What you're saying basically is that manipulating the past is only possible to the extent that the results of this manipulation occur in the "absolute future" (events following the point in the the time travelling started backwards) and do no affect events in the "relative future" (events in between the manipulated past event and the point in time of the initial time travel).
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Yes, exactly! ;) |
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| dslim04 |
| Awesome post Woscar...i got lil lost with tht when Faraday explains it :P. Hopefully season 5 keeps getting better within time like this epsiode. |
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| Scottaculous |
| 5 seasons and we only moved 3 months in story. :wtf: |
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| jupiterone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
5 seasons and we only moved 3 months in story. :wtf: |
can you imagine 3 YEARS of lost in 5 seasons? :wtf: :wtf: |
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| woscar |
This just occurred to me this afternoon about Yemi's plane...
I think the question of "Why did a small plane with a range of 2000 miles, which took off from the west coast of Africa, crashed somewhere in the South Pacific 7000 miles away?" was at least partially answered on last week's premiere.
It would appear that the moving of the island is what caused the plane to crash. When Ben moved the island, it moved both in time and in space. The first shift takes it to a time before Oceanic 815 crashed and while the physical location is unsure, the explanation could come from antipodes. The writers have said that the island is located on Tunisia's antipodal point. If you want to hear it for yourself, download the Official Lost Podcast from May 18th, 2008 ;)
So, it's probable that when Ben turned the wheel this opened an antipodal portal of some sorts and transported Ben to the Tunisian desert and Yemi's plane to the island.
What this suggests, however, is that Ben's turning of the wheel and the subsequent moving of the island were always meant to happen. Yemi's plane being there on the cliff since Season 1 is definite proof.
Hope this is not too confusing, lol. |
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| dslim04 |
it makes sense...would this be part of Charlotte's Flashback when she discovered the polar bear tht had a dharma collar in the desert too?
Was tht in Tunisian? |
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| TranceGiant |
For anyone who's interested in more analytical often mind-boggling reviews of LOST episodes I recommend darkufo.blogspot.com
Just have a look at this insane recap which basically dissects each single word uttered and evey object placed somewhere in a scene (including references to everything from 12 Monkey to Minkowski to Umberto Eco).
http://www.powells.com/blog/?p=4476#more-4476
Edit: Personally I'm not quite fond of the direction the show seems to be heading. I'd rather they keep it myterious-atmospheric, Twin Peaks style - at the risk of desparing many fans who hoped for definite answers, than being suddenly bombarded with pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo in a Back To The Future fashion. |
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