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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
There is no such thing as an innocent person. According to Christian beliefs and I suspect most other religions, everybody is a sinner. Those people dying is a necessary evil to preserve the balance in the world. |
You referring to original sin, we are born as sinners, thus making babies not innocent. From any logical stand point makes no sense. If you say ends justify the means then killing someone for a good cause is OK. Is it ok that Kate kills her step dad because he is abusing her mom? Or Jacob can kill people because his cause is more important or that he is immortal and doesn't have to play by the same rules? Well you can see the slippery slope you are on now. If Lost didn't try to do a big picture religious justification I wouldn't be so hard on it. Religion to begin with doesn't make a lot of sense and neither does the show unless you don't do any hard thinking. It would have been better if they left it as people struggling for redemption instead of trying to tie it up with a neat religious bow. |
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| TranceGiant |
| I understand where you're coming from, igk, but I think the Jacob v. MIB battle was the necessary Deus Ex Machina the writers had to introduce in order to somehow wrap many mysteries up in a satisfying way. Supernatural beings neatly take care of shapeshifting, smoke monsters, healing, time travelling etc. while creating an overall "purpose" for all actors involved. The writers maneuvered themselves into a dead end somewhere along S3 by going beyond a Dharma conspiracy and establishing an omniscient "Jacob" figure. By now it's all about how well they're able to sell this final theme to the audience. With the latest episode they sure did a magnificent job. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
I understand where you're coming from, igk, but I think the Jacob v. MIB battle was the necessary Deus Ex Machina the writers had to introduce in order to somehow wrap many mysteries up in a satisfying way. Supernatural beings neatly take care of shapeshifting, smoke monsters, healing, time travelling etc. while creating an overall "purpose" for all actors involved. The writers maneuvered themselves into a dead end somewhere along S3 by going beyond a Dharma conspiracy and establishing an omniscient "Jacob" figure. By now it's all about how well they're able to sell this final theme to the audience. With the latest episode they sure did a magnificent job. |
The proper response to fans pointing out plot holes, continuity errors, and any mistakes is...
A Wizard did it.
My criticism is for throwing out ideas and religion willy nilly then not expecting to be held accountable or consistent to them, and discarding them when ever they become inconvenient to the plot. I understand all to well the motivations of the producers and why they do things but outside of the context of making entertainment and plot devices they don't stand up on their own. |
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| Lews |
Wait, wait, wait.
You're surprised that a show with JJ Abrams involved threw out ideas willy-nilly and has been forced to use the wizard answer?!?
Imo, the writers did a decent job of fixing stuff, so far at least. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Wait, wait, wait.
You're surprised that a show with JJ Abrams involved threw out ideas willy-nilly and has been forced to use the wizard answer?!?
Imo, the writers did a decent job of fixing stuff, so far at least. |
So you're satisfied that the plane in mid flight split in half and crashed on the island without killing everyone? The explanation...
Jacob did it.
I don't really need my answers to be solved this way. But the producers were the ones that put so much emphasis on making mysterious and then explaining them to us. Its like telling a lie and coming up with a bigger more outlandish lie to explain the first one. |
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| Lews |
| I'm not saying I'm satisfied or not, I'm just laughing at the fact that you're annoyed at how they've explained it. It was obvious from the start as they threw in more and more complexity into the plot that they were going to have to make some random ass thing to explain it. JJ Abrams is notorious for doing this. |
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| TranceGiant |
| For the record: JJ hasen't been involved in the series ever since mid Season 1. |
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| Lews |
| For the record: he is the person who helped write the main story arc, and then got off the show, leaving the writers to have to work out the mess that he made. |
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| jupiterone |
| so i'm guessing jacob took over isabellas body to lure richard into killing mib? |
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| kadomony |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
A Wizard did it. |
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| TranceGiant |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
For the record: he is the person who helped write the main story arc, and then got off the show, leaving the writers to have to work out the mess that he made. |
Nope, he mainly worked with Lindelof on the pilot, at which time they only hade a vague idea of an overall arc/ major them, but no real masterplan, not to mention a concept of the final, had been formulated until S3, when the final number of episodes was agreed on with ABC. Lindelof was asked whether the Backgammon scene in the very beginning was a clear hint at the endgame (no pun intended), and said "yes and no". Yes, a black/white theme was part of the brainstorming, but No, they didn't really have an idea where the show would ultimately take them. |
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| shonguiz |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
so i'm guessing jacob took over isabellas body to lure richard into killing mib? |
I was actually surprised that Ricardo didn't think about that, or did he secretly ? |
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