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L : O : S : T (pg. 132)
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| Scottaculous |
| quote: | Originally posted by beema
Only the people who are being affected by the time-shifts see the flashes. To everyone else it's as if life is carrying on as normal. |
So what do the people not traveling in time see when the flash comes to get the person they were talking to? Does the person simply vanish? |
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| noikeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
I'm not convinced by this timetravelling storyline yet. Either you keep things mysterious bordering metaphysical - or you're going the scientific direction all the way. The time travelling concept which has been introduced, however, makes no sense at all, even within the limits of pseudoscience. Perhaps I'm being too conventional, but the way I always "understood" it was that you take an object X, put it into a dvice Y and send it to time Z. Let's assume that there is this "powerful energy" somewhere in the Island which can send things through time: Why would it selectively move some subjects but not others, regardless of their geographical distance? It all seems too forced and looks as if it wont satisfy either camp at the end: neither the surrealists nor the scientists. |
- We don't know if the other people that were left behind in the island (the others/hostiles) are moving through time, since we haven't seen any from them this season other than their characters in the past.
- It's a freaking TV show with more plot twists than minutes and crazy happening all the time. Of course it isn't going to be a scientific thesis. The time travelling is obviously a bit funky in places, but it's also obviously handy as a plot device and interesting to follow as a viewer. It's consistent enough to me. |
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| woscar |
Actually, that is only YOUR perception. What we are seeing so far is actually based on principles and theories proposed by people with names like Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein. Hermann Minkowski's model of spacetime seems to be heavily referenced also.
"Harnessing energy in a way that would allow us to manipulate time" sounds a lot more scientific than a Delorean or a phone booth moving through time, don't you think? Specially considering Einstein's theory of relativity and this mention of "special energy" present on the island.
It would seem that you're basing the principles of time travel in what you've seen on movies. You will see that the serious work of scientists like the ones I mentioned is actually quite different. ;)
And you don't think that the fact that they are jumping back and forth to random points in time, never knowing who or what they will encounter is pretty ing scary?
Not trying to pick up a fight here, just giving my two cents :) |
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| Cloudburst |
| Why didn't the canoe disappear when the flash happened on the open sea? |
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| dslim04 |
| Im guessing whtever they hold or touch it stays with them like the guns they got from the past flash...I think. |
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| jupiterone |
another question:
'if' sawyer were to approach kate and claire at that time, what would have happened? would he have ed up the entire operation? would they not see him? |
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by dslim04
Im guessing whtever they hold or touch it stays with them like the guns they got from the past flash...I think. |
I'm pretty sure the answer is not that simplistic. Or at least I wish it isn't :p
I think it has more to do with whether the object already existed physically at the point in time they are. For example, the gun was manufactured in 1950 and Sawyer got it when they jumped to 1954. If they jump to any point in time AFTER that, then the gun will be there because it exists. Contrary to what would happen if they travel to let's say 1946 when the gun did not exist. This would create an ontological paradox. ;) |
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
another question:
'if' sawyer were to approach kate and claire at that time, what would have happened? would he have ed up the entire operation? would they not see him? |
If you pay close attention, what Daniel explained on the premiere is turning out to be true. The past cannot be changed. Sawyer didn't talk to Kate and Claire because he was not supposed to. |
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| TranceGiant |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
Actually, that is only YOUR perception. What we are seeing so far is actually based on principles and theories proposed by people with names like Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein. Hermann Minkowski's model of spacetime seems to be heavily referenced also.
"Harnessing energy in a way that would allow us to manipulate time" sounds a lot more scientific than a Delorean or a phone booth moving through time, don't you think? Specially considering Einstein's theory of relativity and this mention of "special energy" present on the island.
It would seem that you're basing the principles of time travel in what you've seen on movies. You will see that the serious work of scientists like the ones I mentioned is actually quite different. ;)
And you don't think that the fact that they are jumping back and forth to random points in time, never knowing who or what they will encounter is pretty ing scary?
Not trying to pick up a fight here, just giving my two cents :) |
Okay, slowly. Let's all not even PRETEND to know exactely what Hawking's, Einstein's and Minkowski's time travel relevant theories are about, and I'm pretty sure most of the average LOST viewers have no clue, nor do they care, either. Time travel, and correct me if I'm wrong, is to this day fantasy. And as such, stepping into a time travelling Ferrari is as much or as little "scientific" as any vague Hawking/Minkowski "reference". Moreover, I'd like to read Einstein's view on a set of people/objects that travels exclusively together simply because "fate" seems to connect them (no other explanation has been provided as to why exactely those 815ers+Freighters are jumping together while other humans don't).
As for the "dramatic value" of the time-jumps: Seems more like a gimmick of the writers to answer questions raised in the past without using the conventional flashback technique anymore. Personally, I expected something more "fun" - sorry for my taste :p |
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| narcism |
| jin wow :eyespop: |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| has this show finished yet? was it any good? |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
has this show finished yet? was it any good? |
Not finished. Yeah, it's good :p It may fit your fantasy/magic needs :p |
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