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| jupiterone |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
care to explain? |
at least for me it did, based on how i explained the statue
i think it was explained before the finale, the two episodes before hand
you've read this before i'm sure:
In Egyptian mythology, Taweret (also spelled Taurt, Tuat, Taueret, Tuart, Ta-weret, Tawaret, and Taueret, and in Greek, Θουέρις "Thouéris" and Toeris) is the Egyptian Goddess of childbirth and fertility. The name "Taweret" means, "she who is great" or simply, "great one".[1] When paired with another deity, she became the demon-wife of Apep, the original god of evil. However, the Egyptians essentially treated Taweret as a benevolent figure and this deity is attested as early as the Old Kingdom period "
but recap on what you've seen all season, particularly the last 3 episodes, and read that. it's hard for me to explain (lol like anything in the show), but once i thought about it, i somewhat understood why they were using mythology without actually explaining it. i mean, do you know what a mind it'd be to explain their whole mythological theme? it'd take nothing less than 1 full season to do it. the great thing about this show is that everyone can have a different speculation on why they did what they did. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
i mean, do you know what a mind it'd be to explain their whole mythological theme? it'd take nothing less than 1 full season to do it. the great thing about this show is that everyone can have a different speculation on why they did what they did. |
that's why i wasn't expecting blatant answers to all these questions. you can't explain like that. and if they tried, the answers would probably fail miserably. i would've loved more back story into who the people protecting the island were....but i'm honestly not complaining. it's the first series finale ever where i'm perfectly content and satisfied.
can't wait to watch it all over again on blu-ray. |
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| LeopoldStotch |
not the perfect ending to the show, but i say it's a nice closing. I feel some things are best to be left unanswered, because that will lead to more questions, causing to dent whatever nostalgic feeling we have about the show.
imo, the whole alternate reality branch that was built during this season for us to think about while watching them try to save the island during the present was a good example of us seeing what each character's true feelings and what he/she felt what a true utopia life had in their minds. it was just a matter of time before someone (desmond / hurley / etc ..) had to crash the ideal place, and show them their real true life. in other words, let go of their dreams and find their real 'love' in life, and accept their destiny, which is death. they could have shortened the alternate timeline a couple of episodes ago, but doesn't matter to me.
at the end of it all, i do like the whole there is no clear ending to the whole show, because it gives us a chance to go back and contemplate what the show has given us, rather than try to hand it to us on a silver platter.
ah well. time for us to invest time on JJ Abram's current exec prod project 'Fringe'. The show got into a real annoying state midway through the season, but the final 3-4 episodes (exluding the musical episode) were just money. time to start discussing current vs alternate timelines ..... again. :( |
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| Zombie0729 |
LOST is the story of Jack Shepherd, a man who refuses to give up on things he has no control over, a guy who believes personal outcome is chosen by his own actions or lack thereof. Better yet Jack thinks so strongly that he can fix almost anything that he spends his entire life fighting the very things that are simply trying to nudge him along his path. It isn't until Jack understands that fate ultimately chose him and that his path wouldn't end alone but rather with all the people he spent his entire life protecting, fighting for, fixing and leading would, in end, be right by his side.
With that said, Jack "letting go" is the ultimate form of personal endeavor, a correlation between personal growth and iconic singular philosophies. It's funny how important Christian Shepherd was in this whole story line, if anyone was the "guider" or the all-knowing it wasn't Widemore, Jacob, Richard or MiB, it was Christian Shepherd. He was taking every step with Jack but still letting Jack make his own decisions and ultimately leading us down the path of Jack's alternate life, a life where euphemisms and utopia are the norm and where nothing is a coincidence.
I have to leave for work but i'll return to this and write the rest later. I just want to say that for me, when i was young all i would read was character driven mystery novels. At least 3 or 4 books a month from age 8 to 18. Jack's story is one of many, a man who was broken down over core family issues, a success from far away, a natural leader who never doubts himself until he risks more than his own life, etc. Lost is very original, they do use a lot of common writing and character development techniques but all-in-all it's probably the best writing I've seen on a television series in my life. You couldn't ask for a more heart driven story line. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
I wasn't as blown away as some here were, but then again, my interest had been waning for a while now. I will say though, while I had noticed before, Terry O'Quinn (John Locke) really shone through as an excellent actor to me in this episode... even if he had so many wrinkles that the pic at the top of this page is well deserved :haha: |
Him and Michael Emerson (Ben Linus) were both ing fantastic. I hope they somehow both win Emmys and I'll look forward to seeing them in the future. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Him and Michael Emerson (Ben Linus) were both ing fantastic. I hope they somehow both win Emmys and I'll look forward to seeing them in the future. |
according to Jimmy Kimmel they weren't even nominated |
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| WittyHandle |
| I should've mentioned Michael Emerson too. I'm going to have to spend some time on Imdb and search out other projects each has been involved in. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
I wasn't as blown away as some here were, but then again, my interest had been waning for a while now. I will say though, while I had noticed before, Terry O'Quinn (John Locke) really shone through as an excellent actor to me in this episode... even if he had so many wrinkles that the pic at the top of this page is well deserved :haha: |
i concur. I'm going to miss the characters/actors, but that still doesn't change my feelings that the plot got too out of control and they stretch reality too far.
Traveling back in time and then setting off the nuke which then created two time lines. So did the nuke kill them then? If it did they couldn't have existed in the present. Then Jack dad says they're dead, but everything that happened was real. The sideways time line they are really dead? Is your head hurting as much as mine is? |
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| WittyHandle |
+1. I like it out there, but they went too far for my tastes.
According to Imdb, Terry O'Quinn (John Locke) was nominated for an Emmy in 2005 for outstanding supporting actor in a drama series, and won for the same category in 2007. Michael Emerson (Ben Linus) was nominated for the same category in 2007 & 2008, then won in 2009.
Nice to see them get some recognition from their industry :) |
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| 72hrpartyanimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
LOST is the story of Jack Shepherd, a man who refuses to give up on things he has no control over, a guy who believes personal outcome is chosen by his own actions or lack thereof. Better yet Jack thinks so strongly that he can fix almost anything that he spends his entire life fighting the very things that are simply trying to nudge him along his path. It isn't until Jack understands that fate ultimately chose him and that his path wouldn't end alone but rather with all the people he spent his entire life protecting, fighting for, fixing and leading would, in end, be right by his side.
With that said, Jack "letting go" is the ultimate form of personal endeavor, a correlation between personal growth and iconic singular philosophies. It's funny how important Christian Shepherd was in this whole story line, if anyone was the "guider" or the all-knowing it wasn't Widemore, Jacob, Richard or MiB, it was Christian Shepherd. He was taking every step with Jack but still letting Jack make his own decisions and ultimately leading us down the path of Jack's alternate life, a life where euphemisms and utopia are the norm and where nothing is a coincidence.
I have to leave for work but i'll return to this and write the rest later. I just want to say that for me, when i was young all i would read was character driven mystery novels. At least 3 or 4 books a month from age 8 to 18. Jack's story is one of many, a man who was broken down over core family issues, a success from far away, a natural leader who never doubts himself until he risks more than his own life, etc. Lost is very original, they do use a lot of common writing and character development techniques but all-in-all it's probably the best writing I've seen on a television series in my life. You couldn't ask for a more heart driven story line. |
great explanation. I also feel it was mostly about Jack (although I was a Sawyer fan).
just out of curiosity, does anyone have any final theories and what was so special about the island (in case i missed the explanation)? i know no one will really have the correct answer, but why not discuss one last time? |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
Traveling back in time and then setting off the nuke which then created two time lines. So did the nuke kill them then? If it did they couldn't have existed in the present. Then Jack dad says they're dead, but everything that happened was real. The sideways time line they are really dead? Is your head hurting as much as mine is? |
Not one bit. The bomb detonation did not create an alternate timeline. It was a red herring. the alt timeline was purgatory/limbo between life and death. All the bomb detonation did was sling the Losties back to the future and create the need to build the Swan; and it's presumably the "incident" that Dr. Pierre Chang referred to (or whichever name he used in the Swan Training Video) |
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| Dj Minaya |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
i concur. I'm going to miss the characters/actors, but that still doesn't change my feelings that the plot got too out of control and they stretch reality too far.
Traveling back in time and then setting off the nuke which then created two time lines. So did the nuke kill them then? If it did they couldn't have existed in the present. Then Jack dad says they're dead, but everything that happened was real. The sideways time line they are really dead? Is your head hurting as much as mine is? |
The nuke worked like Juliet said. The time traveling antics stopped because of the nuke. It didn't kill anyone.
I don't believe the flash sideways is timed with anything in the show specifically. All of the flash sideways took place when these characters were all dead.
The island and all of the events were real. Everyone who lived through the events of Locke vs Jack at the end just lived their lives out until they died.
MIB turning into the smoke monster and Richard being immortal was all because of Islands power being contained and centered to two people (Jacob & MIB) once it was unleashed it seemed like everything it caused ceased to exist which is why Richard started to age and MIB became flesh and blood which is why he was able and trying to leave the Island he was no longer bounded by its power/rules.
Remember in Pirates Of The Caribbean when all the coins were together and Legolas poured blood onto them then the curse was gone and they could kill Shine finally with the last bullet in the gun? Same concept just a little more confusing.
I enjoyed the ending the very much. I never needed everything answered because it would ruin the fun and mystery that the show had from the beginning. It was always great because we were just as lost as the characters were and we could experience those mysteries with them. |
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