Originally posted by Philby
hmm i dunno pkc, referencing wiki, you could be slipping a little ;)
lol philbs. no, i knew that thermite/thermate are practically identical (ive done so much explosive-related reading in the last year its just not funny) but grabbed wiki coz it was easiest to find ;)
Marc Summers
Um, those hot spots you showed at the site were fires. There were fires that didn't go out for quite a few days.
I don't know what you are on, boy.
culorut
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Originally posted by Marc Summers
Um, those hot spots you showed at the site were fires. There were fires that didn't go out for quite a few days.
I don't know what you are on, boy.
Fires do not get that hot, especially when they poured tons upon tons of water over the hot spots the weeks following.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by culorut
Fires do not get that hot, especially when they poured tons upon tons of water over the hot spots the weeks following.
oh really?
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Oxidation of iron by air is not the only EXOTHERMIC reaction of iron (= structural steel which is about 98 % Fe, 1 % Mn, 0.2 % C, 0.2 % Si.....). There is at least one additional reaction of iron with the capability of keeping the rubble pile hot and cooking!
The reaction between IRON AND STEAM is also very EXOTHERMIC and fast at temperatures above 400 deg C. This reaction produces Fe3O4 AND HYDROGEN. It is the classic example of a REVERSIBLE REACTION studied in Chemistry labs at high school. But believe it or not, back at the turn of the century, the reaction of iron and steam was used as an industrial process for the manufacture of hydrogen.
I think iron and steam could have reacted in this way (at least for a while) and generated a lot of heat. What is more, the hydrogen released would have been converted back to water by reaction with oxygen, thereby generating even more heat. In this case spraying water on the rubble pile was like adding fuel to a fire!
Now add in gypsum reactions with H2 and CO and we have a great source of SO2 and/or H2S to sulfide the steel!
Perhaps the endless spraying of water on the rubble pile was not such a good idea!
of course, you (still) haven't explained why explosives would leave such heat. no demolition ive ever heard of ever caught fire!
culorut
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol philbs. no, i knew that thermite/thermate are practically identical (ive done so much explosive-related reading in the last year its just not funny) but grabbed wiki coz it was easiest to find ;)
They are almost identical yes but the difference in temperature is a few thousand more degrees in a few seconds after ignited. Sulfur was found but there was a little too much found, sulfur is what is added to thermite to make thermate. Just because you cannot find it used in normal controlled demolitions does not mean they did not use it, after all this was a military type attack so why not use the military grade thermate.
If you are so hard pressed that it was the fires causing WTC7 to collapse post another structure that has in history then.
Remember it must look like this....
Good luck.
culorut
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of course, you (still) haven't explained why explosives would leave such heat. no demolition ive ever heard of ever caught fire!
Next time actually watch the videos of the rescue workers who where there right after the controlled demolitions say there was molten metal present. They did not even start to pour water yet moron.
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Originally posted by culorut
You can start around 9 mins in. If this is asking to much your obviously ignoring the truth about this fact.
pkcRAISTLIN
ooooh! molten metal. metal wouldnt melt at all in a massive building fire would it?! molten metal wasn't pouring out of the windows before the collapse was it?! nope!
your arguments are getting more and more vague and your tenuous connections between "evidence" more and more ridiculous.
im STILL waiting for you to refute any of my other arguments. come on boy, put a little more effort it, tsk tsk.
culorut
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Next time actually watch the videos of the rescue workers who where there right after the controlled demolitions say there was molten metal present. They did not even start to pour water yet moron.
you cannot even read properly, no wonder you cannot understand that 9/11 was an inside job.
Ignorance is one thing but you are just plain stupid.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by culorut
you cannot even read properly, no wonder you cannot understand that 9/11 was an inside job.
Ignorance is one thing but you are just plain stupid.
yeah, whatever you reckon mate. you're the one perpetuating poor research, lies & halftruths. you're the ignorant highschool student that doesn't have the intellectual capacity nor commitment to properly analyse the information you're spewing.
once again i am faced with a "truther" that brings up point after point that i stomp into the ground, so they bring up the next point. and then the next. never staying long enough to actually defend their stupid position.
credit to you child, you keep up your internet detective work. those that DO have a capacity to understand my arguments and are following this thread know you've had your arse soundly handed to you.
good luck with school, you are definitely going to need it. perhaps with time you will gain a little experience in assessing argument and information, and there'll be no need to make a fool of yourself on TA ever again :)
Marc Summers
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Originally posted by culorut
you cannot even read properly, no wonder you cannot understand that 9/11 was an inside job.
Ignorance is one thing but you are just plain stupid.
That's funny.
You haven't explained anything yourself, so far in this thread. When we ask you to explain, you just throw a video at us, or some article.
you are lame as hell.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Marc Summers
You haven't explained anything yourself, so far in this thread. When we ask you to explain, you just throw a video at us, or some article.
its funny how they keep moving the goalposts isnt it? won't stick to one particular topic and defend it, they have to jump to the next. honestly, not even in highschool did i have such a lack of academic commitment.
oh, and just for and giggles:
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Originally posted by cretinrot
The Empire State Building was hit by a B-25 bomber near the end of WW2, it destroyed 19 floors and guess what? It's still standing to this very day.
19 floors? you think? hmmmm, lets see some evidence shall we?
forgive me if im wrong, but that doesn't look anything like 19 floors to me!
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Less structural damage meant no real issues in terms of supporting the load of the building above (which was constructed entirely differently from the WTC anyway). The considerably reduced fuel load meant fire was less of an issue, and the blaze that did arise was brought under control without much difficulty:
The 4-alarm fire brought every available piece of fire-fighting apparatus to the scene. As the building was evacuated, firemen spent about an hour extinguishing the flames.
just more lies spewed by a disturbed little child without the capacity to judge for himself the evidence. its a bit sad really!
culorut
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yeah, whatever you reckon mate. you're the one perpetuating poor research, lies & halftruths. you're the ignorant highschool student that doesn't have the intellectual capacity nor commitment to properly analyse the information you're spewing.
once again i am faced with a "truther" that brings up point after point that i stomp into the ground, so they bring up the next point. and then the next. never staying long enough to actually defend their stupid position.
credit to you child, you keep up your internet detective work. those that DO have a capacity to understand my arguments and are following this thread know you've had your arse soundly handed to you.
good luck with school, you are definitely going to need it. perhaps with time you will gain a little experience in assessing argument and information, and there'll be no need to make a fool of yourself on TA ever again :)
So full of your own it is absurd. Your wining the argument?
When is the last time you took a look at the numbers in this poll or any others for that matter. You are part of a huge minority.
Where is the video I asked you dig up that resembles anything like WTC7 collapsing due to fires?
Personal attacks and dodging again, signs of a loser.
