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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 37)
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| stevieboy32808 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
yea thats true. putting explosives in the building doesnt exactly make sense |
Neither does impropmtu evacuations/drills weeks before the attacks. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevieboy32808
Neither does impropmtu evacuations/drills weeks before the attacks. |
 Although, it kind of does. That's how false flag operations are carried out. ;) |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
yea thats true. putting explosives in the building doesnt exactly make sense |
:rolleyes:
Yes it does. Two of the worlds tallest skyscrapers, financial and economic symbols, being utterly destroyed will instill far more fear and shock into a population than two planes simply crashing into the towers while they still stand. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
Government: We want to cause a tragedy so great the American people will blindly follow us into war... What do you think gentlemen...
Accomplice #1: Well, the Towers are a perfect choice.. It's been bombed before. We can just blame Osama again. We've been priming the American people by having him blow up our warships and our buildings in other countries.
Government: Yeah, good idea! How will we do that?
Accomplice #1: We can hire Osama to get some of his friends to fly planes into it!
Accomplice #2: Wait... I have a better idea, We can BOMB the buildings!
Accomplice #1: Well, that means placing enough bombs into the 110 story building. That's going to take a lot of man power and risk us being uncovered...
Accomplice #2: Yeah but that way your sure to knock it down. Besides, Maybe the hijackers wont make it to the target. Maybe they'll be uncovered!
Accomplice #1 But you don't need to knock it down, all you need is the horrific sight of the planes hitting the buildings. People will get the message. It's an attack on American soil. We'll also have people like the blind sheik to cover for us. We'll even put a guy on a train with evidence.
Your plan isn't perfect either you know. Do I have to remind you of Operation Towel Pop? We already tried to embarrass Clinton by knocking it down and failed.
Accomplice #2: Yeah, our bay of pigs, but I say the only way they can get the message is if we knock it down.
Accomplice #1 Do not
Accomplice #2 Do too
Accomplice #1 Do not
Accomplice #2 Do too
Accomplice #1 Do not
Accomplice #2 Do too
Government: Gentlemen, gentlemen... Please... What the hell, we'll just do both! :blink: How do we do that? I mean how do you keep explosions from showing up on TV? We're going to have to investigate this at some point. How do we cover up the seen?
Accomplice #2: But why not just knock it dow...
Government: I've made my decision. continue...
Accomplice #2: OK.. We install charges on every floor so that after the planes hit, we blow each floor under the crash floor one by one, very fast to simulate pancaking. We'll let the building burn a while just for effect. This will also give time for the trusses to sag making it LOOK like a fire caused the building to fall.
Accomplice #1: Nice touch...
Accomplice #2: Why, thank you. :) ...We'll set a charge off in the middle of the building AFTER the top is on it's way down so everyone thinks the puffs of debris coming from the windows are from the tremendous hypodermic needle like pressure blowing debris from the weakest point in the building.
Government: What about the sound of explosions? Isn't that a dead giveaway?
Accomplice #2: No problem, We'll just let them think it's normal electrical explosions like transformers blowing up or the initial concrete and Steel and floors hitting the floors below.
Accomplice #1: Yeah, it could also be the steel columns snapping like twigs from the tremendous weight of the floors above... Don't worry, we have disinformation specialists in Key internet forums.
Government: WOW, You guys think of everything.. What about Building 7? Can we take that out at the same time?
Accomplice #1: We wont be able to fly plans into it, that's for sure...
Accomplice #2: Leave it to me. If we set off the explosions just right we can have one of the towers hit Building 7 missing the two next to it. After that we can set fires on the bottom floors and let it burn for a while, you know, to make it look possible for a normal collapse. I'll call my agent in the fire department to get everyone out before we blow it. I'll figure a way to make the floors look buckled for effect as well.
Government: Amassing... I also want to take out the pentagon. Any suggestions?
Accomplice #1: What we'll do is hijack a plane just for effect then fire a missile at the pentagon. A bunker buster.
Government: But what about the people on the plane?
Accomplice #1: We'll land the plane in area 51 then shoot them all.
Government: Why not use the plane instead of the missile? That way you take care of all the evidence at the same time... People on the highway can also see the planes hit. If you use a missile there's going to be a lot of witnesses who saw a missile and not a plan.
Accomplice #1: err... ah, Don't worry about these small details. I have an under cover op in the DC police department who will take the names down and shot them all.
Government: How are you going to get all the people involved in this? Bush isn't exactly loved you know..
Don't worry, psych-ops will take care of the brainwashing of the American people. As for the media, we control the left and the right!
Government: GREAT! Nice work all! Lets make the target date Sept 11 2001.
if you want debunking info a lil more serious, go HERE |
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| LazFX |
| ^^^^Ha ha ha That is so funny!! Love it, will send it to my pals that really believe that 911 was staged, ha ha |
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| tathi |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Government: We want to cause a tragedy so great the American people will blindly follow us into war... What do you think gentlemen...
Accomplice #1: Well, the Towers are a perfect choice.. It's been bombed before. We can just blame Osama again. We've been priming the American people by having him blow up our warships and our buildings in other countries.
Government: Yeah, good idea! How will we do that?
Accomplice #1: We can hire Osama to get some of his friends to fly planes into it!
Accomplice #2: Wait... I have a better idea, We can BOMB the buildings!
Accomplice #1: Well, that means placing enough bombs into the 110 story building. That's going to take a lot of man power and risk us being uncovered...
Accomplice #2: Yeah but that way your sure to knock it down. Besides, Maybe the hijackers wont make it to the target. Maybe they'll be uncovered!
Accomplice #1 But you don't need to knock it down, all you need is the horrific sight of the planes hitting the buildings. People will get the message. It's an attack on American soil. We'll also have people like the blind sheik to cover for us. We'll even put a guy on a train with evidence.
Your plan isn't perfect either you know. Do I have to remind you of Operation Towel Pop? We already tried to embarrass Clinton by knocking it down and failed.
Accomplice #2: Yeah, our bay of pigs, but I say the only way they can get the message is if we knock it down.
Accomplice #1 Do not
Accomplice #2 Do too
Accomplice #1 Do not
Accomplice #2 Do too
Accomplice #1 Do not
Accomplice #2 Do too
Government: Gentlemen, gentlemen... Please... What the hell, we'll just do both! :blink: How do we do that? I mean how do you keep explosions from showing up on TV? We're going to have to investigate this at some point. How do we cover up the seen?
Accomplice #2: But why not just knock it dow...
Government: I've made my decision. continue...
Accomplice #2: OK.. We install charges on every floor so that after the planes hit, we blow each floor under the crash floor one by one, very fast to simulate pancaking. We'll let the building burn a while just for effect. This will also give time for the trusses to sag making it LOOK like a fire caused the building to fall.
Accomplice #1: Nice touch...
Accomplice #2: Why, thank you. :) ...We'll set a charge off in the middle of the building AFTER the top is on it's way down so everyone thinks the puffs of debris coming from the windows are from the tremendous hypodermic needle like pressure blowing debris from the weakest point in the building.
Government: What about the sound of explosions? Isn't that a dead giveaway?
Accomplice #2: No problem, We'll just let them think it's normal electrical explosions like transformers blowing up or the initial concrete and Steel and floors hitting the floors below.
Accomplice #1: Yeah, it could also be the steel columns snapping like twigs from the tremendous weight of the floors above... Don't worry, we have disinformation specialists in Key internet forums.
Government: WOW, You guys think of everything.. What about Building 7? Can we take that out at the same time?
Accomplice #1: We wont be able to fly plans into it, that's for sure...
Accomplice #2: Leave it to me. If we set off the explosions just right we can have one of the towers hit Building 7 missing the two next to it. After that we can set fires on the bottom floors and let it burn for a while, you know, to make it look possible for a normal collapse. I'll call my agent in the fire department to get everyone out before we blow it. I'll figure a way to make the floors look buckled for effect as well.
Government: Amassing... I also want to take out the pentagon. Any suggestions?
Accomplice #1: What we'll do is hijack a plane just for effect then fire a missile at the pentagon. A bunker buster.
Government: But what about the people on the plane?
Accomplice #1: We'll land the plane in area 51 then shoot them all.
Government: Why not use the plane instead of the missile? That way you take care of all the evidence at the same time... People on the highway can also see the planes hit. If you use a missile there's going to be a lot of witnesses who saw a missile and not a plan.
Accomplice #1: err... ah, Don't worry about these small details. I have an under cover op in the DC police department who will take the names down and shot them all.
Government: How are you going to get all the people involved in this? Bush isn't exactly loved you know..
Don't worry, psych-ops will take care of the brainwashing of the American people. As for the media, we control the left and the right!
Government: GREAT! Nice work all! Lets make the target date Sept 11 2001. |
i'm convinced, you would have to be stupid not to believe there was a coverup after reading this transcript. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by tathi
i'm convinced, you would have to be stupid not to believe there was a coverup after reading this transcript. |
What??
9-11 is this Generation's , JFK shooting, Roswell, The WOrld is Flat and the Earth is the Center of the Universe theory.
"Asserting themselves to be wise, they became fools" funny how that rings so true today... |
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| ogvh5150 |
I wonder about those that believe the official story, do they also believe in cow mutilating aliens. Do they believe in interstellar travel beyond the speed of light. Do they believe in the matrix. Do they believe in ghosts. Do they believe homosexuality is an inherited trait. Do they believe in evolution. Do they believe that their race is a superior race. Do they believe that their god is an animal, female or exists. Do they believe that Saddam still has nukes. Do they believe the polar caps are melting or in global warming.
They will believe that set of theories but they won't believe just one more.
Because if it don't line up with their pre-set beliefs (cognitive dissonance) then it does not enter the mind. Then their mind is not their own.
But they can believe in cow mutilating, crop circle forming, faster than light traveling, anal probing, cigar shaped ufo flying grey aliens. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
I wonder about those that believe the official story, do they also believe in cow mutilating aliens. Do they believe in interstellar travel beyond the speed of light. Do they believe in the matrix. Do they believe in ghosts. Do they believe homosexuality is an inherited trait. Do they believe in evolution. Do they believe that their race is a superior race. Do they believe that their god is an animal, female or exists. Do they believe that Saddam still has nukes. Do they believe the polar caps are melting or in global warming.
They will believe that set of theories but they won't believe just one more. |
i believe in evolution. i believe in global warming. for much the same reasons i dont believe in this conspiracy. i am more than happy to admit im not expert enough to do my own research from an objective position, so i rely on resident experts in their field to try and explain it to me in layman's terms. not that much different from the conspiracy vids ive seen. and i find the debunking evidence much more compelling. the problem for you is that no one has been able to provide the smoking gun. and a conspiracy this elaborate, with all of its potential for failure or discovery, needs a smoking gun.
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Because if it don't line up with their pre-set beliefs (cognitive dissonance) then it does not enter the mind. Then their mind is not their own. |
see, you keep saying this, but it misses the mark (at least for me). i dont have any pre-set beliefs about this sort of thing. i think youll remember me asking for your vids a while back, which i watched. i also jumped on a bunch of the websites you recommended. then, i decided to look for critiques of these arguments, coz im not a structural engineer and dont consider myself expert enough to second-guess those people that are.
but the real problem for me, is that there were innumerable, easier ways for the US govt to pull a 9/11 than the elaborate, convoluted, fraught-with-problems method you believe they chose. i cant see how a logical person could argue a scheme this grand and successful would have been designed so poorly in the first place. you wanna pull off anything even remotely like this, youd want it water-fvcking-tight. too many things to go wrong, too many people would have the chance to find out. too high a risk.
from a macro standpoint, its simply not credible.
christ, if even chomsky doesnt think the govt planned this, youre pushing uphill
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
people that would be involved in the deliberate demolition of the towers:
-The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history... Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less.
-The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most if not all of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about gag a rule imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by the court not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag rule on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know...
Conspiracy theorist bring up an article in Fire House magazine which says the fire department wanted to stop the steel from being sold in order to test the fire proofing and other non-bomb/controlled demolition related investigations. They twist the articles context to make it seem like the fire fighters questioned the idea that fire brought down the towers.
http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Arti...ay.cfm?Section=
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25&ARTICLE_ID=131225
http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Arti...OnlineArticles&
SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=130026
Many of these men and women come from the military yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the governments next mass murder than come out and expose this.
-The courts for imposing a gag rule [SEE above]
-The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None...
-The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive?
-All the people in the pentagon who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly truck in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? again, no answer...
-The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who rather have investigations of the decisions which lead to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money... [note: Whenever killing someone, pay off the relative. They wont say anything.]
-The media (This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like like the BBC and Al Jeezera. Why? No answer here either...
-The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the \"Controlled demolition\" account.
-Popular Mechanics who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...se/1227842.html
-PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/
-Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent org doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called \"Conspiracy\". In fact the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a hand full can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team in structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work other teams using the same evidence and specifications.
-NY Governor Pataki because he sold steel to from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals.
-The NY city scrap yards because they also sold steel to china before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the fire fighters.
-EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is the engineers don't know about Jones work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones's work to any structural engineer?
-The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down. (Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nation’s history. Why\" No clue...
-The CIA
-The FBI
-FEMA
-The American Society of Civil Engineers who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorist say is impossible is possible.
-NORAD
-The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorist never existed.
-The Silverstein Group who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money.
-Silverstein's Insurance Company who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorist say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount.
-American Airlines (Pentagon)
-United Airlines (Pentagon)
-Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes
-Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology
-Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon)
-Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon)
-Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work.
-Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings
-People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover
-Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon)
-Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon)
-People who detonated the buildings
-anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes.
Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed, Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involved the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long. Absurd...
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| tathi |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
What??
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becuase i was being completely serious and all :p |
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