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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 208)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
oh gee, look what i found cretinrot?
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The videos taken from the Pentagon area after the 9/11 attacks were mentioned in the Maguire declaration, where FBI Special Agent, Jacqueline Maguire responded (see below) to a request from Scott Bingham.
In Summary:
She determined that the FBI had 85 videotaptes that might be relevant. Of those, 56 "of these videotapes did not show either the Pentagon building, the Pentagon crash site, or the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11."
Of the 29 remaining videotapes, 16 "did not show the Pentagon crash site and did not show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon."
Of the 13 remaining tapes which showed the Pentagon crash site, 12 "only showed after the impact of Flight 77."
The videotape taken from the Citgo gas station did not show the impact.
No videotapes were located from the Sheraton Hotel, though she located a videotape from the Doubletree Hotel. |
http://www.flight77.info/85videos.html |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
So what's your point ? That NORAD's ability to identify and intercept aircraft entering from overseas really didn't prepare them for hijacked aircraft on 911?
I love how previously you have stated that you don’t really care about 911 and youre not a conspiracy theorist, yet every single post you've made in here is filled with the popular lies of the truth club. |
Do you actually think that the official report is factual and spot-on? Even that horse about 30 cellphone calls being made to love ones? Jesus Christ.
Even if the Twin Towers were both [incredibly] destroyed by jetplanes, that doesn't include building 7 which is an OBVIOUS demolition.
I find it amusing that people like you and Xanax can't have a debate without resorting to insults and slander. In the end, none of this matters, truly. If there is indeed treachery behind these acts it will never be brought to light.
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In regard to the NORAD timeline, I suppose you forgot to think? Isn't it interesting that the F-16s were only flying 1/7 of their top speed to intercept the plane on its way to the Pentagon? Also, the spokesman of the Pentagon stating, "The Pentagon was simply not aware that this aircraft was coming our way." Which is obviously a lie, since we know Cheney was aware of the entire approach. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
And doesn't it make you curious that Marvin Bush was the head of Securacom? Or the missing millions?
A major aspect of 9/11 has been excluded from the entire U.S. media after September 11th, and was also omitted from The 9/11 Commission Report. The sudden fall to earth, on September 11th, 2001, of World Trade Center Building 7. Not hit by airplane or significant debris, 300 feet shorter than closest Twin Tower, and with just a few small fires burning within it, at 5:20PM EDT this massive concrete and steel-framed 47-story skyscraper imploded into its own footprint in less than seven seconds. Its rapid implosion had all of the characteristics of a controlled demolition, and the World Trade Center leaseholder, Larry Silverstein, stated in so many words that the building had been collapsed by demolition. It takes weeks, if not months, to prepare the demolition of a building as large as WTC 7; this implosion could not have been engineered and implemented in seven chaotic hours on September 11th. Therefore, a question emerges:
Who had the means and expertise to engineer such a demolition and acquire needed materiel, and who had access to WTC Building 7 PRIOR TO September 11, 2001 in order to place the explosives? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
Do you actually think that the official report is factual and spot-on? |
of course not. why would you expect it to be? its often an estimation because there are loads of things that are never going to add up perfectly. lunatics LIVE for these small inaccuracies.
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Even that horse about 30 cellphone calls being made to love ones? Jesus Christ. |
yeah, i think its MUCH more likely that the government managed to fool those respective loved ones into thinking they were really talking to their husband/wife/child/parent :rolleyes:
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Even if the Twin Towers were both [incredibly] destroyed by jetplanes, that doesn't include building 7 which is an OBVIOUS demolition. |
yeah, because all those fire fighters that have given testimony concerning the condition of the huge gaping inferno of WTC7 are just liars.
WTC3 wasn't hit by a plane either, i guess this was a demolition too?
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I find it amusing that people like you and Xanax can't have a debate without resorting to insults and slander. |
you retarded truthers dont deserve any better. why elevate the nature of the discussion and confuse lurkers into thinking your accusations are worthy of a measured response? you disingenuous tards don't listen, you wont answer specific questions, you employ the most ludicrously complicated explanations without any evidence, you completely fail to address the gaping holes in your logic, you can't tell good evidence from bad, you leap to the most idiotic conclusions... the list goes on and on.
and you wonder why we attack you personally?
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
In regard to the NORAD timeline, I suppose you forgot to think? Isn't it interesting that the F-16s were only flying 1/7 of their top speed to intercept the plane on its way to the Pentagon? Also, the spokesman of the Pentagon stating, "The Pentagon was simply not aware that this aircraft was coming our way." Which is obviously a lie, since we know Cheney was aware of the entire approach. |
10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes
5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.
6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.
8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
And doesn't it make you curious that Marvin Bush was the head of Securacom? Or the missing millions?
A major aspect of 9/11 has been excluded from the entire U.S. media after September 11th, and was also omitted from The 9/11 Commission Report. The sudden fall to earth, on September 11th, 2001, of World Trade Center Building 7. Not hit by airplane or significant debris, 300 feet shorter than closest Twin Tower, and with just a few small fires burning within it, at 5:20PM EDT this massive concrete and steel-framed 47-story skyscraper imploded into its own footprint in less than seven seconds. Its rapid implosion had all of the characteristics of a controlled demolition, and the World Trade Center leaseholder, Larry Silverstein, stated in so many words that the building had been collapsed by demolition. It takes weeks, if not months, to prepare the demolition of a building as large as WTC 7; this implosion could not have been engineered and implemented in seven chaotic hours on September 11th. Therefore, a question emerges:
Who had the means and expertise to engineer such a demolition and acquire needed materiel, and who had access to WTC Building 7 PRIOR TO September 11, 2001 in order to place the explosives? |
you're a complete and total wit. anyone that thinks there were only "small" fires in WTC7 deserves to be called as such. I love how you claimed you were "just asking questions" when its ing obvious you're a card-carrying member of the truth club. I bet you don’t believe a plane hit the pentagon either. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
Heh. ooo00Oooo someone in a forum doesn't respect me.
You're an idiot :wtf:
Firefighter Transcript Made Public
http://www.wnbc.com/news/1315651/detail.html
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion .
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Dispatcher: Battalion 5, be advised we're trying to contact Battalion 3 at this moment to report north tower just collapsed.
It's total horse. Eat it. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
It's total horse. Eat it. |
LOL :p |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
Heh. ooo00Oooo someone in a forum doesn't respect me.
You're an idiot :wtf:
Firefighter Transcript Made Public
http://www.wnbc.com/news/1315651/detail.html
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion .
[...]
Dispatcher: Battalion 5, be advised we're trying to contact Battalion 3 at this moment to report north tower just collapsed.
It's total horse. Eat it. |
Of all the dozens and dozens and dozens of videos that were rolling that day not a single video tape has anything even approaching the sound of demolition charges einstein. And we all know, if you can't post a video of it on youtube, then it didn't happen!
Arseclown. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
of course not. why would you expect it to be? its often an estimation because there are loads of things that are never going to add up perfectly. lunatics LIVE for these small inaccuracies.
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Power-hungry oil thirsty politicians live for those big opportunities. Bush and Cheney, off the record behind closed doors? incredible. The Patriot Act was passed, that was a bonus for them too.. you know.. like the conceptual trillions they would be tossing into the military wasn't enough.
ing people. answer in a paragraph like a normal person. this line by line bull is tedious.
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yeah, i think its MUCH more likely that the government managed to fool those respective loved ones into thinking they were really talking to their husband/wife/child/parent :rolleyes:
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Are you serious? I don't get the sarcasm, really. Is that one of the conspiracies? The government called the families?.. retarded. But 30 calls made with success? I forget the odds of making a call at their height, but you'd have better chances in Vegas winning against Bond, heads up with Royal Flush to Straight Flush; taking into account that Bond doesn't exist. It's either fluff for the report and a testament to the willingness of the government to lie about nearly everything, or a blatant lie in order to obtain credibility.
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yeah, because all those fire fighters that have given testimony concerning the condition of the huge gaping inferno of WTC7 are just liars.
WTC3 wasn't hit by a plane either, i guess this was a demolition too?
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I would be inclined to call that collateral damage.
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you retarded truthers dont deserve any better. why elevate the nature of the discussion and confuse lurkers into thinking your accusations are worthy of a measured response? you disingenuous tards don't listen, you wont answer specific questions, you employ the most ludicrously complicated explanations without any evidence, you completely fail to address the gaping holes in your logic, you can't tell good evidence from bad, you leap to the most idiotic conclusions... the list goes on and on.
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And you're such an open minded guru, mother******? lol. I haven't made any incredible leaps in logic, anywhere in my statements. You're the kind of guy that looks at this picture  and say they're the exact same person. To me, that tells me instantly that you have no perception and you're really a waste of time. Let alone you're on the internet calling people names.
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and you wonder why we attack you personally?
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I don't wonder about you at all. ;) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
yep, no fires to see here!
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But they had a hoseline operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too. Then we received an order from Fellini, we’re going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn’t look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn’t really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I’m standing next to said, that building doesn’t look straight. So I’m standing there. I’m looking at the building. It didn’t look right, but, well, we’ll go in, we’ll see.
So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody’s going into 7, there’s creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.
Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?
Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.
Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?
Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
You're the kind of guy that looks at this picture |
oh, sorry. i forgot that people photographed/filmed at different times with different quality/types of video will always look exactly the same, even if the said video is changed between PAL and NTSC once or twice. people don't age or gain/lose weight or anything if they're captured on video.
must be like a modern dorian gray. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
oh, sorry. i forgot that people photographed/filmed at different times with different quality/types of video will always look exactly the same, even if the said video is changed between PAL and NTSC once or twice. people don't age or gain/lose weight or anything if they're captured on video.
must be like a modern dorian gray. |
and this one? |
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