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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 156)
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
Did they find molten metal in the sub-basement of that bridge six weeks after it's collapse? |
:rolleyes: WTC 7? or the twin towers? pick one and ing stick with it.
...and if you find yourself having substitute one building for the other buildings in this particular argument in order keep supporting your argument...find the nearest heavy blunt object and pummel yourself with it. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
:rolleyes: WTC 7? or the twin towers? pick one and ing stick with it.
...and if you find yourself having substitute one building for the other buildings in this particular argument in order keep supporting your argument...find the nearest heavy blunt object and pummel yourself with it. |
There was molten metal under all three. Do your homework before you open your big effing mouth, dumbass :rolleyes: |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Hey Q, I'd like to challenge you to take a look at the other side of the argument for the things you believe (in this case rather exoteric...) and come up with a good reason why it COULD be true.
And I'd also like to challenge Trancer to come with some reasons why these events might be just as we've been told, and that conspiracies are unfortunate offsprings of the haphazard nature of the event.
All I really know right now is that my government somehow allowed my hometown (or what once was...) to be subjected to a VERY rudimentary "attack" not once, but twice. I mean, I was standing on the roof of my building when the second airplane hit the second tower... it's just unbelievable.
It really just goes to show just how confused and unprepared we really are for any number of a myriad of possible "issues" that could threaten our stability both as a nation and a species. Hurricane Katrina was icing on the cake, since it's the same exact level of unpreparedness replaying itself, except without the ability to point fingers at the cause.
I don't know guys. What's the deal?
Why are we ramping up security so intensely in the homeland if these things are still happening?
I was driving home a few weeks ago down route 1 and saw a burned up bus in the middle of the road, that looked like it had been blown up by a bomb... it wasn't even on the news or in the local papers.
Do we have reason to be afraid because the government is so inept and so ready to withhold information from us?
Where do we draw the line between information we need to know and information we don't? Who is drawing this line, and are they really as uneducated as the events would paint them to be?
Give me some hope! |
things built to defy gravity tend to fall down sometimes.
people determined to blow things out of the sky tend to do just that.
levies built to protect large cities that exist 10ft below sea level (right next to the sea no less) sometimes fail under stress and put that entire city 10ft underwater in a matter of hours.
there are MANY people constantly drawing lines for you to pay attention to, but you are not intended to know everything about everything just as much as you are supposed to know absolutely nothing. YOU have to make judgement calls, and most of the time those calls require you to trust someone elses judgement. you can't escape that social inevitabilty.
i am tempted to believe the "government" is witholding information from me all the time hoewever we live at a time where, if information was a commodity, the market would be flooded like a Louisiana parish. it's up to me determine what i'm supposed to know and thats almost too easy today.
so, IMO, try not to blame others for what you think you should know and don't. thats futile and most of the time we're wrong anyway when we run around blaming others completely missing what we wanted to know in the first place. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
There was molten metal under all three. Do your homework before you open your big effing mouth, dumbass :rolleyes: |
don't start lying dude. c'mon. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | JONES: But they admit there's only a low probability, and if you look at the collapse, you see what I have studied is the fall time, the symmetry, the fact that it first dips in the middle. That's called the kink. Which is very characteristic, of course, of controlled demolition.
CARLSON: Professor, I am sorry that we are out of time ...
JONES: Whoa, one other thing I want to mention.
CARLSON: Ok. If you can hit it - hit it quickly.
JONES: OK. All right. Here we go. Molten metal in the basements of all three buildings.
CARLSON: Right.
JONES: And yet all scientists now reasonably agree that the fires were not sufficiently hot to melt the steel, so what is this molten metal? It's direct evidence for the use of high-temperature explosives, such as thermite, which produces molten iron as an end product.
CARLSON: OK.
JONES: It's very short time, but people will read the paper, then I talk about the molten metal, the symmetry of the collapse, and the weaknesses and inadequacies of the fire hypothesis.
CARLSON: Professor, we are going to have to leave it to our viewers who are interested enough to follow up to do just that. We appreciate you coming on, even if I don't understand your theories, we appreciate you trying to explain them. Thanks. |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10053445/ |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | | Langewiesche explored the shifting debris with construction workers and engineers, documenting the crises and questions as they arose. He crawled through "the pile" with survey parties and descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams. He interviewed hundreds of people, from ironworkers and city managers to architects and doctors. What he witnessed in his reporting, Langewiesche says, was "uniquely American improvisation on an enormous scale." |
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200207/77nwash |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | | Turner himself crawled through an opening and down crumpled stairwells to the subway, five levels below ground. He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow–molten metal dripping from a beam–but found no signs of life. Back on the surface, he knew there had been a breakthrough in trust when he heard a New York firefighter shout, "Hey, we need a yellow shirt over here." |
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/9_11/a...911memories.htm |
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| Q5echo |
so Steven Jones says there was molten metal under WTC 7. ok great. so?
look i don't doubt for a minute there was molten metal at the bottom of the WTC wreckage weeks after the collapse. even WTC 7.
none of that means the WTC buildings was brought down by explosives and to this day no one knows why I35W bridge collapsed but we can independently and scientifically break down the mechanics of why WTC 7 collapsed without explosives |
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| Q5echo |
nowhere does it describe WTC 7.
so far, as far as i can see, your making it up. |
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| Q5echo |
nowhere does it describe WTC 7.
so far, as far as i can see, your making it up...again |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
yeah, the whole molten metal think has been debunked numerous times, and the troofers deliberately ignore the sheer volumes of thermite that would be needed to continue burning for 6 weeks. there is no evidence that it was molten iron, which is what thermite produces.
anywayz Q5, here's a lovely peer-reviewed analysis of the WTC7.
http://www.structuremag.org/Archive...lsanz-Nov07.pdf
more "shills" at work no doubt. |
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| Q5echo |
no answer yet.
Trancer-X is probably pummeling himself like i instructed. |
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