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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 175)
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Are you forgetting the 10+ year long war called the Persian Gulf War Part 1... they were flying attack missions into Iraq regularly against anti air assets over that time and enforcing a no fly zone which was in Iraqi airspace.. and embargoing it. |
10 years!?!?! attack missions targeting anti-aircraft targets shooting at them; that's hardly a war. war suggests large scale. concentrated missions defending aircraft does not constitute war.
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
but frankly Osama was not involved in 911 directly - although many high profile individuals "stars" may be linked to training terrorist.. the US trained the jihadists.. so if you train the trainers who trained the people that attacked you.. who is responsible?
Although OSAMA ain't stupid either - if he is still kicking after 7 years .. he seems to have a higher IQ then Saddam (whichever one of him they killed.. I doubt it was really him..) |
yeah, i'll believe you when the man himself claimed responsibility.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
funny how bremer looks in a beard... don't ya think.
I'm also currious if you know arabic...
if so why not post a link to the actual statement not the fabricated response. |
no, but a load of people do, and i'm sure if the statements made by obama are different than the media is claiming then someone would have pointed that out.
i just picked the first non-US link on wikipedia where osama claims responsibility. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
and why can't technology be used to forge the videos.. all these videos that are appearing.. yet no osama?
ever wonder that?
I think it is more likely osama made like a billion videos sold them for $1 each to al jazarah and said. ah just make sure it's not a rerun..
I do not beleive he had the capacity to coordinate attacks while his communication channels were being monitored |
yeah, because osama bin ladens motivation throughout his history has been money. have you read anything about his past? he is from a wealthy family. i'm sure his motivation in claiming responsibility was money. even if it means he could never show his face again. or that he would have to travel discretely for the rest of his life. that just doesn't make sense. it's probably one of the dumbest claims associated with any conspiracy theory.
EDIT: your edited response is incomprehensible. use paragraphs my friend. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Which is the reason why the video is funny. The joke has little to do with the 11th of September. Laughing at that would be really harsh. But, the point in question is that these theories are so far-fetched, they're nonsensical... that video is almost a summary of this thread. Really, if it weren't for Imre Lakatos, I'd have no idea of how these theories managed to survive this long. |
I still think that the most nonsensical one is the official one, though. Heck, even the heads of the commission themselves came out and said that they were stonewalled and not able to properly perfom any kind of investigation.
And the NIST report was flawed, too. They had to take out so many support pillars to initiate a collapse and make those towers fall when they did the computer simulation that they were wandering pretty far off into fantasy land when they did it.
Talk about conspiracy theories. lol |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
Engineer Gordon Ross gives a good presentation on the Twin Tower's collapse on 9-11 and why the 47 core columns needed to have been severed in order for the buildings to fall the way that they did |
Gordon Ross.......
IS NOT a Chartered Engineer in the UK - no liscence currently exists or has existed with the Engineering Council of the United Kingdom
IS NOT a member of the Royal institute of structural engineers - as verified by a membership search of the Royal Institute of Structural Engineers
funnier yet, for such a reputable and creidble source, you would think i would be able to find some record of his credentials online? no, not one university news letter citing works or alumni status, and no sign of his professional resume anywhere i could find.
all that aside, his video did not propose any new ideas or evidence that i have not already seen in the dozens of other useless videos that get posted in this thread. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
Gordon Ross.......
IS NOT a Chartered Engineer in the UK - no liscence currently exists or has existed with the Engineering Council of the United Kingdom
IS NOT a member of the Royal institute of structural engineers - as verified by a membership search of the Royal Institute of Structural Engineers
funnier yet, for such a reputable and creidble source, you would think i would be able to find some record of his credentials online? no, not one university news letter citing works or alumni status, and no sign of his professional resume anywhere i could find.
all that aside, his video did not propose any new ideas or evidence that i have not already seen in the dozens of other useless videos that get posted in this thread. |
Could you please try and refute his presentation instead of simply attacking his credentials (or lack, thereof)?
Thank you ;)
The least you could do is give us a reason why the NIST had to take out so many extra support columns in their computer model in order to initiate the their tower collapse.
Even then, though, that still wouldn't make up for the hundreds of other signs of a coverup. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
Could you please try and refute his presentation instead of simply attacking his credentials (or lack, thereof)?
Thank you ;) |
No need. If he's not a licensed, structural engineer, then his presentation is meaningless. I keep asking you guys- when you go to the hospital who do you want to see? The guy who spent 6 years at university or the guy that cleans the toilets? |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
No need. If he's not a licensed, structural engineer, then his presentation is meaningless. I keep asking you guys- when you go to the hospital who do you want to see? The guy who spent 6 years at university or the guy that cleans the toilets? |
that depends on whether the guy cleaning the toilet is selling percocets he stole from the hospital pharmacy. ;) |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
No need. If he's not a licensed, structural engineer, then his presentation is meaningless. I keep asking you guys- when you go to the hospital who do you want to see? The guy who spent 6 years at university or the guy that cleans the toilets? |
Well colonelcrisp is (supposedly) a licensed engineer and has not proved jack either. You can throw that lame excuse out of the ball park now, thanks. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Well colonelcrisp is (supposedly) a licensed engineer and has not proved jack either. You can throw that lame excuse out of the ball park now, thanks. |
for the last time (honestly, how simple are you?) the onus is not on colonel to prove jack .
the onus is on you and your ilk to show how your theories are scientifically plausible. still havent done anything even approaching that.
what you waiting for? biding your time?
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| culorut |
Yes 173 60.92%
No 111 39.08%
Maybe it's just me but not too many seem to believe the official story. The onus is on the government, you continue to neglect that they actually work for the people that put them their in the first place.
This is a thread where the the majority is not in favor of the official story, the onus is on the minority (colonel and you included).
You get it now? If not give up we will not hold it against you I promise.
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