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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 300)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
They created the term Al Qaeda you moron, it is a CIA fabrication plain and simple. You ignored to watch this same video that was posted ages ago but if you would actually pay attention for once you might just learn something. It is really not hard to see why this documentary was aired in almost all countries but the never in the USA. I wonder why.... |
This is what I was saying before about your lack of education and experience leaves you completely incapable of making reasonable and rational inferences from the information you are presented with.
I saw that video more than 2 years ago. And you know what? It examines the rise of militant islam, and shows how very real (if not substantial) that threat is and its history of influence in the mid east and elsewhere. The term AQ might have been coined by the CIA but they didn't invent all the loose membership that this name comprises. that doco certainly doesn't say that militant islam is a fabrication or that the members of AQ are CIA assets, fabrications or anything else. It argues that forces in the US used a blanket term in order to have freedom when dealing with supposed enemies of the state. The doco goes into some detail regarding islamic extremism, its goals, influences and relative importance.
LEARN HOW TO RESEARCH YOU IGNORANT, UNEDUCATED PEASANT. Either you haven't watched the whole doco and are relying on soundbites to labour the point, or you simply didn't understand it.
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Part 2: "The Phantom Victory"
In the second episode, Islamist factions, rapidly falling under the more radical influence of Zawahiri and his rich Saudi acolyte Osama bin Laden, join the Neo-Conservative-influenced Reagan Administration to combat the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. When the Soviets eventually pull out and when the Eastern Bloc begins to collapse in the late 1980s, both groups believe they are the primary architects of the "Evil Empire's" defeat. Curtis argues that the Soviets were on their last legs anyway, and were doomed to collapse without intervention.
However, the Islamists see it quite differently, and in their triumph believe that they had the power to create 'pure' Islamic states in Egypt and Algeria. However, attempts to create perpetual Islamic states are blocked by force. The Islamists then try to create revolutions in Egypt and Algeria by the use of terrorism to scare the people into rising up. However, the people are terrified by the violence and the Algerian government uses their fear as a way to maintain power. In the end, the Islamists declare the entire populations of the countries as inherently contaminated by western values, and finally in Algeria turn on each other, each believing that other terrorist groups are not pure enough Muslims either.
In America, the Neo-Conservatives' aspirations to use the United States military power for further destruction of evil are thrown off track by the ascent of George HW Bush to the presidency, followed by the 1992 election of Bill Clinton leaving them out of power. The Neo-Conservatives, with their conservative Christian allies, attempt to demonise Clinton throughout his presidency with various real and fabricated stories of corruption and immorality. To their disappointment, however, the American people do not turn against Clinton. The Islamist attempts at revolution end in massive bloodshed, leaving the Islamists without popular support. Zawahiri and bin Laden flee to the sufficiently safe Afghanistan and declare a new strategy; to fight Western-inspired moral decay they must deal a blow to its source: the United States. |
yeah, they just made AQ up out of thin air! :stongue: it is rather dishonest to present a documentary and then lie about what the doco examines. not that we're not all used to your lies by now. |
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| yukii |
Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11?
No. :o |
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| DJ Damerchi |
colorut, if the CIA were to have gone through all this mess, wouldnt there have been a few Iraqi's conveniently put on the manifest?
I don't know what it is, its like you want to think that you're in on some big secret and everyone else is brainwashed. You are a **** to deny the existence of Al Qaeda( forget the name game and just think of the loose network that exists).
you sound like one of those 15 year old kids that just insert plugs of their elderly figures' statements on politics or religion rather obnoxiously, or in yourcase, the higher ups in the conspiracy chain. where do you convene for this anyway, inbetween 2 railway platforms?
It saddens me because so much thought and energy goes to nothing really, I feel for you. You make all these points about CIA training Osama(which I assumed was a given), and somehow end up at an insurance policy in Manhattan.
look deeply into the Hamburg cell, know militant islam in the second half of the 20th century, and hopefully you'll come to your senses.
Judging by what you managed to conclude from the PON doc., i remain skeptical of your ability to draw conclusions on these matters. you have embarked on an "everything is an illusion" ideology, and everything you witness will be bent towards sustaining that ideology. |
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| DJ Damerchi |
there are more replies than views for me on this thread.
is that even possible? |
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| we_R_DNA |
| After finding reading the torture memos and what went on during the Bush Administration being accusing of torture and . .. I honestly believe that there is a possible chance of a cover up now. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by we_R_DNA
After finding reading the torture memos and what went on during the Bush Administration being accusing of torture and . .. I honestly believe that there is a possible chance of a cover up now. |
actually, the fact that they tortured suspected terrorists in the months and years after 911 suggests the exact opposite. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| Yeah, but the leaking of all those documents confirming what we already knew about torture shows how good the government is at keeping secrets, right? |
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| culorut |
| quote: | | Either you haven't watched the whole doco and are relying on soundbites to labour the point, or you simply didn't understand it. |
Actually if you did watch the documentary it is Part 3 fuk face. Apparently you have no idea what you are talking about.
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| we_R_DNA |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
actually, the fact that they tortured suspected terrorists in the months and years after 911 suggests the exact opposite. |
How do you reckon it suggest the exact opposite when the administration was changing all the laws to make sure it was legally ok? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Actually if you did watch the documentary it is Part 3 fuk face. Apparently you have no idea what you are talking about. |
*facepalm* honestly, are you really this ing dense? i wasn't correcting which part of the doco it was from. i was highlighting the fact that you didn't understand the documentary in its entirety, as evidenced by your completely wrong conclusions you've posted above. at no stage in the entire documentary did the journalist argue that these terrorists did not exist, or were part of the CIA (or any other government agency).
i watched that documentary in 2006 or 7, it aired in australia over 3 weeks on The Cutting Edge. I even PM'd a link to shaolin_z because i thought he might find it interesting.
i understood the documentary. you did not. as DJ Damerchi points out, your inferences are completely fallacious.
| quote: | Originally posted by we_R_DNA
How do you reckon it suggest the exact opposite when the administration was changing all the laws to make sure it was legally ok? |
what does this even mean? :conf: :conf:
if the evil government conspired to pull off this impossibly complex conspiracy with their CIA-run al qaida network, why is that same government torturing hundreds of people in order to discover possible future attacks by AQ or others? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| in short culorut, power of nightmares is about how the neo-conservatives and militant islamists used each other to further their respective ideological goals. |
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| culorut |
Question.
The USA did recruit, fund (billions) and train what we know as our modern day terrorists via the CIA and ISI from the 70's and onward which eventually spread into other militant groups.(Fact)
PNAC the war mongers (Cheney, Rumsfield, Kagan, etc) stated they needed a Pearl Harbor to engage the American people into going to war. This had everything to do with controlling the middle east through "global leadership by maintaining the preeminence of U.S. military forces". These were their own words. (FACT)
Numerous attempts (hundreds) were made from virtually every country warning various agencies in the USA throughout the years of an impending attack within the USA from hijackers attempting to fly airplanes into American landmarks. All of which were ignored at the highest levels. (FACT)
On September 11, 2001 war game exercises were also being run re-creating exactly what was occurring in real life which is also in conjunction with the military stand down. Keep in mind the US government lied all along stating they never had planned to prepare for such an attack when they clearly did prepare for hijacked planes to be used as the weapons on more than one occasion. (FACT)
The 9/11 attacks from day one have been questioned and debated on both sides. From the collapses of the Twin Towers to Building 7, from Flight 77's Pentagon crash to United 93's mysterious crash, every last detail of the separate 9/11 instances have been scrutinized. (FACT)
The 9/11 Commission omitted information (tons of it) in a controlled manner which has been stated by various former members of this same commission. Bush and Cheney refused to testify alone (hard to get the story straight separately). They had to be in each others presence while being questioned/examined. Very obvious this commission was a farce from the start.(FACT)
Cheney made billions with Halliburton along with many of the same type of individuals with double standards thrugh military contracts lined up for the perfectly set up war. None of which have ever been questioned but instead have made a load of money, gained massive global control and removed America's freedoms using their own innocent blood. (FACT)
Fast forward to 2009 and people around the globe are for both sides of the story and many more are on the fence. The wars are still continuing and have been dragged on with the "war on terror", "Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" and all sorts of other nonsense. What we do know is the last administration flat out lied to the world at every possible angle while also stealing the last election. (FACT)
Is the possibility of a cover up really that hard to believe even if it is the most minor of a detail(s) knowing what we do definitely know about this very same group of individuals and what they have been proven to do in the past and present?
It's not that hard to figure out. |
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