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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 22)
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
still, no ones ever answered my question regarding the placement of the explosives. did they tell the pilots EXACTLY which floors to crash into coz the govt had already planted the explosives? haha. or did they plant the explosives straight after the planes hit? |
That would be needed to be answered by an explosives expert most likely from Controlled Demolition, Inc. since this is a tranceaddict forum rather than contolled demolition addict no one can be able to answer that question.
| quote: | Originally posted by Masterpiece
Lecture by Steven E. Jones, Professor of Physics, Brigham Young University, February 1st 2006.
Jones has written a paper regarding the September 11 terror attacks which is currently undergoing peer review and pending official publication in scientific journals. The most recent draft is posted on his faculty website at BYU ( http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html ). In this paper, 'Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse', Jones cites evidence supporting the hypothesis that controlled demolition, rather than simply the impact of jet airliners and the ensuing fires, caused the buildings to collapse. In the treatise, Jones presents evidence for the explosive-demolition hypothesis, which has yet to be analyzed in any reports funded by the United States government. Jones notes all three buildings fell symmetrically into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with 'controlled demolition' and examined extensively by 9/11 researcher Jim Hoffman, in calling for renewed investigations into the 9/11 attacks. He points out, among other evidence, the speeds of the collapses, the "pulverization of concrete to flour-like powder," and the presence of horizontal puffs of smoke observed ascending the side of WTC 7, common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings. Jones notes that some aspects of the buildings' collapses remain poorly understood and that the demolition hypothesis can quickly resolve much of the debate. A passage in his paper addressing this point:
"...How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings? The contradiction is ignored by FEMA, NIST and 9-11 Commission reports where conservation of momentum and the fall times were not analyzed. The paradox is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly remove lower-floor material including steel support columns and allow near free-fall-speed collapses (Harris, 2000)...."
Jones also examines the official reports by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (aka the 9/11 commission), which all conclude fires and damage alone caused complete demolition of all three buildings. A central topic within Jones essay is the contention that the condition and nature of the debris which remained following the buildings' collapses was not consistent with the scenarios documented by FEMA and NIST; in particular, along with the observations of molten metal at Ground Zero by Leslie Robertson (WTC structural engineer)and Dr. Allison Geyh (a public health investigator from Johns Hopkins), Jones cites and includes photographic evidence, which he says show molten metal in the debris, and notes the reports on sulfidation of structural steel.
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| seval |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
And the passengers, aling with the black boxs. I guess the secret people carriend the bodies of the passengers ina fterwards though...right? |
check out this internet documentry it has all the evidence in it, so can you handle the truth......wel can you?
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to answer your first question i dont think osama was awre untill after the attacks as his first so called video confession was proven to be a fake ie not him in the video a look a like and his voice was faked |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by seval
check out this internet documentry it has all the evidence in it, so can you handle the truth......wel can you?
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to answer your first question i dont think osama was awre untill after the attacks as his first so called video confession was proven to be a fake ie not him in the video a look a like and his voice was faked |
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| seval |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tiesto14
:rolleyes: [/QUOTE
humm...... i guess that shut you up, sarcastic face isnt really a relpy its more of a 'i dont know how to come back from this symbol' :stongue: |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by seval
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tiesto14
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humm...... i guess that shut you up, sarcastic face isnt really a relpy its more of a 'i dont know how to come back from this symbol' :stongue: |
NO i just dont take anyone serious who tells me to get my information from those blurry, grainy and horrible videos. Show me some evidence from EXPERTS who are qualified to answer such questions and then i will acknowledge you.
Maybe you should read some of the links i just provided that are by experts.
And the Osama tape is legit...no question about that. |
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| seval |
note how most of these site are government sites hardly an open minded field to express the truth, speak out against the government and loose their job, id dismiss these sites as evidence, joke |
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| seval |
| tiesto14 i think youve been smoking on the goerge bush bull pipe for too long, as an americian you are far more likely to believe your government wouldnt do such a terrible thing, though their is only so many contradictions you can accept before it all falls down |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by seval
note how most of these site are government sites hardly an open minded field to express the truth, speak out against the government and loose their job, id dismiss these sites as evidence, joke |
LOL...ok pal watch out for the men in black. No amount evidence will sway your opinion...you are convinced the world is run by spys. My links are from governemnt studies, univercities and well known engineering camps that are all credibal...like it or not you are delusional.
One notable self-contradiction of you conspiracy folk is your use of media news. You uniformly maintain the media is controlled & you can’t believe it. The CNN is run by the Pentagon. The Washington Post has gone totally neocon. The secret conspirators are writing the news, so you can’t trust it.
Then you guys do little else than cite stories from mainstream media sources. This is just staggeringly dumb, it seems to me. You will tell you how bogus the news is, then not only cite mainstream news sources, but cite them as further authority. Verily, you guys must have cream-of-wheat for brains.
Conspiracy people act out fundamental self-contradictions all the time, as when you declare the news to be bogus, then do nothing but cite news reports. Or say there is no distinction between liberal & conservative, then talk endlessly about liberals & conservatives. Or say the government is evil, then lobby their congresspeople. Or pledge themselves to free speech, then use a bullhorn to suppress everyone else’s free speech. Or declare yourselves populists while condemning 99% of the population. Or come out for freedom while opposing the right to abortion. Or accuse the government of fearmongering while devoting your waking hours to their own incredible fearmongering. Or say we’re under martial law & then complain about their rights. That sort of thing. |
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| seval |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
LOL...ok pal watch out for the men in black. No amount evidence will sway your opinion...you are convinced the world is run by spys. My links are from governemnt studies, univercities and well known engineering camps that are all credibal...like it or not you are delusional.
One notable self-contradiction of you conspiracy folk is your use of media news. You uniformly maintain the media is controlled & you can’t believe it. The CNN is run by the Pentagon. The Washington Post has gone totally neocon. The secret conspirators are writing the news, so you can’t trust it.
Then you guys do little else than cite stories from mainstream media sources. This is just staggeringly dumb, it seems to me. You will tell you how bogus the news is, then not only cite mainstream news sources, but cite them as further authority. Verily, you guys must have cream-of-wheat for brains.
Conspiracy people act out fundamental self-contradictions all the time, as when you declare the news to be bogus, then do nothing but cite news reports. Or say there is no distinction between liberal & conservative, then talk endlessly about liberals & conservatives. Or say the government is evil, then lobby their congresspeople. Or pledge themselves to free speech, then use a bullhorn to suppress everyone else’s free speech. Or declare yourselves populists while condemning 99% of the population. Or come out for freedom while opposing the right to abortion. Or accuse the government of fearmongering while devoting your waking hours to their own incredible fearmongering. Or say we’re under martial law & then complain about their rights. That sort of thing. |
one advantage to being IRISH and living in IRELAND is that you dont get cnn and the rest of the american news channels, over her we get RTE news and bbc news, completly neutral and in the opinion that events leading up to and after the attacks and the skill behind them leads to the conclusion that the only possible organisation capable of getting past americian air defence are the americian gevernment , but this is a pointless argument you are blinded by stupid americian idology that god is on your side and your government is totally not to blame for the attacks, lets say these attacks were the work of osama bin laden he claims that the americian troops insult, beat and ridicule the faith of islam so even on that level the government is still to blame for trying to force their opinions down the rest of the worlds mouths, look at iraq more civilians have been killed in the last couple of years by the brittish and americian troops than saddam did in his entire reiqn. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by seval
bbc news, completly neutral |
HA...BBC HATES Bush.
| quote: | Originally posted by seval
and in the opinion that events leading up to and after the attacks and the skill behind them leads to the conclusion that the only possible organisation capable of getting past americian air defence are the americian gevernment , |
HUH?
| quote: | Originally posted by seval
but this is a pointless argument you are blinded by stupid americian idology that god is on your side and your government is totally not to blame for the attacks, |
God is not on my side because i do not beleive in him. You calling me blinded is typical theorists jargon when you have nothing else to refute my claims.
| quote: | Originally posted by seval
lets say these attacks were the work of osama bin laden he claims that the americian troops insult, beat and ridicule the faith of islam so even on that level the government is still to blame for trying to force their opinions down the rest of the worlds mouths, |
Um dont get your point...but Osama is to blame...that i widly accepted across the globe, well except for theorists like yourself...you guys are no better then the people who claim aliens were involved.
| quote: | Originally posted by seval
look at iraq more civilians have been killed in the last couple of years by the brittish and americian troops than saddam did in his entire reiqn. |
Simply not true.
And i will challenege you....since American news is not to be trusted and they are giving fake Osama confessions...how about you find me one Al Jazeera news source that refutes Osama's confession...you do that and i will surrendur to your theory and call you the victor...surely Al Jazeera wouldnt lie...they hate America as much as the BBC. |
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| seval |
we all know osama was trained by the CIA i my personal believe is that osama is a smoke screen for goerge bush's quest for oil, if the government wanted osama they would of got him, if you remember how quickley they found saddam it took them just over a month to find him, though i have no evidence to prove this opinion my common sense tells me that this is highly likely.
but at the end of the day its what you personaly believe and trying to force somebody to believe what you/I believe is wrong, i just think that if you were to look at the situation from outside the box what happened is quite plausable and people like goerge bush are very motivated by money and would sell their soul to have as much money as possible, and there is no doubt that oil is money just look at the profits brittish oil company BP made last year alone £13 billion |
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