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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 133)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
And where's pkcRAISTLIN when you need him?! How come you didn't alert us to the fact that the NIST investigation wasn't peer reviewed?
No peer review = not credible, right? Isn't that what you've been alluding to? lol |
the difference being that the NIST report catalogued findings from hundreds of different contributors, which is, in essence, a form of peer review. still world's above anything the CT side has developed. i have never said the document was perfect, but you are unlikely to get a perfect document in a situation such as this.
an imperfect thesis does not equate with bombs in the towers. really, the most important part of your post was this:
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Although Dr. Quintiere was strongly critical of NIST’s conclusions and its investigatory process, he made it clear he was not a supporter of theories that the Twin Towers were brought down by pre-planted explosives. |
ie, he is an expert that thinks the NIST report is weak in certain areas but thinks the CD theory is bollocks. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the difference being that the NIST report catalogued findings from hundreds of different contributors, which is, in essence, a form of peer review. still world's above anything the CT side has developed. i have never said the document was perfect, but you are unlikely to get a perfect document in a situation such as this.
an imperfect thesis does not equate with bombs in the towers. really, the most important part of your post was this:
ie, he is an expert that thinks the NIST report is weak in certain areas but thinks the CD theory is bollocks. |
Okay, if that's the way you justify it :p
It was a form of peer review :haha: |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
Okay, if that's the way you justify it :p
It was a form of peer review :haha: |
i dont have to justify anything. can you find a single post of mind where i hold dearly to the NIST report's findings? nope, didnt think so. all i was saying is that the process of the NIST report is a far more robust analysis than anything your clowns have been able to produce.
there ARE peer reviewed analyses from structural engineers that (more or less) support the findings of the NIST report.
again with your arguments from doubt *claps hands*
again, an imperfect analysis doesn't do anything for your arguments when you are unable to produce a better one that has received anywhere near the scrutiny that the NIST report has. youtube videos made by spotty teenagers dont count! :haha: |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i dont have to justify anything. can you find a single post of mind where i hold dearly to the NIST report's findings? nope, didnt think so. all i was saying is that the process of the NIST report is a far more robust analysis than anything your clowns have been able to produce.
there ARE peer reviewed analyses from structural engineers that (more or less) support the findings of the NIST report.
again with your arguments from doubt *claps hands*
again, an imperfect analysis doesn't do anything for your arguments when you are unable to produce a better one that has received anywhere near the scrutiny that the NIST report has. youtube videos made by spotty teenagers dont count! :haha: |
No, but the NIST report is the basis for the 9/11 Commission's findings, which you seem to regard as irrefutable.
Well, if my government had devoted just a fraction of the funds that it used to go after Bill Clinton during his sex scandal then maybe they would have been able to come up with an actual fact-finding commission. But it didn't (and for a reason.) They needed to blame Osama.
The same reason why they had shills propagating their story for them at the scene of the crime...
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
yes, they needed to blame osama. because you know, they're getting so much strategic and economic advantage by being tied up in afghanistan.
and they obviously put the words in osama's mouth when he took credit for the attack. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yes, they needed to blame osama. because you know, they're getting so much strategic and economic advantage by being tied up in afghanistan.
and they obviously put the words in osama's mouth when he took credit for the attack. |
That was really Osama bin Laden? lol
I thought that it looked and sounded a lot more like Tim Osman's CIA stunt double ;) |
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| Trancer-X |
I think that this Dutch Television documentary did a pretty good job at touching upon certain points of interest thanks to the input of Andreas Von Bülow (Former German Secretary Of Defense) and Michael Meacher (MP & Former UK Government Minister)
9/11 Special - Dutch Television Documentary
Two prominent European politicians, Michael Meacher and Andreas von Bülow, express their serious doubts about the official version of the 9/11 story.
“Was 9/11 more than just an attack? Could the Bush administration have had anything to gain from the attack? Two prominent European politicians, Michael Meacher and Andreas von Bülow, express their serious doubts about the official version of the 9/11 story.”
Michael Meacher - MP - Former UK Government Minister. "The war on terror is bogus"
Andreas Von Bülow, Former German Secretary Of Defense "The official story is so inadequate and far fetched that there must be a different one"
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| Trancer-X |
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Duke Professor Skeptical of bin Laden Tape
WTVD By Amber Rupinta
(01/19/06 -- DURHAM) - A Duke professor says he is doubtful about Thursday's audiotape from Osama bin Laden.
Bruce Lawrence has just published Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama Bin Laden, a book translating bin Laden's writing. He is skeptical of Thursday's message.
"It was like a voice from the grave" Lawrence said.
He thinks bin Laden is dead and has doubts about the tape. Lawrence recently analyzed more than 20 complete speeches and interviews of the al Qaida leader for his book. He says the new message is missing several key elements.
"There's nothing in this from the Koran. He's, by his own standards, a faithful Muslim," Lawrence said. "He quotes scripture in defense of his actions. There's no quotation from the Koran in the excerpts we got, no reference to specific events, no reference to past atrocities."
While the CIA confirms the voice on the tape is bin Laden's, Lawrence questions when it was recorded. He says the timing of its release could be to divert attention from last week's U.S. air strike in Pakistan. The strike targeted bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, and killed four leading al Qaeda figures along with civilians.
Lawrence believes faulty Pakistani intelligence led to the strike and the civilian deaths, and the tape was leaked by Pakistani authorities to divert attention from their mistake.
"It led to a failed military operation where America got blamed, but they people who are really to blame are the ones who provided the intelligence," Lawrence said. "I think this is an effort to say were not going look at this terrible incident that happened."
Another element that Lawrence takes issue with in bin Laden's latest message is it's length - - only 10 minutes. Previously, the shortest was 18 minutes.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?s...ocal&id=3828678 |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yes, they needed to blame osama. because you know, they're getting so much strategic and economic advantage by being tied up in afghanistan.
and they obviously put the words in osama's mouth when he took credit for the attack. |
Shows how much you know regarding this fine detail...
Osama bin Laden also known as Tim Osmond (CIA) never did confess unless of course you are an idiot and believe that it was actually him in the fixed confession tape.
The following quote is from an Osama bin Laden interview published in Ummat, a Pakistani newspaper.
“I have already said that I was not involved in the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people. Such a practice is forbidden ever in the course of a battle."
Bin Laden’s rebuttal was not reported in the American media. Rather, in December 2001 the CIA produced a video tape that is universally accepted as a confession of bin Laden’s guilt. There is some skepticism however as to whether the tape can really be considered a smoking gun or not. The CIA was a little confused about where they got it - originally the tape was said to have been found by their own agents but in later reports the Northern Allied Forces in Afghanistan are credited with discovering it, supposedly in a house in Jalalabad. It is difficult to believe that bin Laden would have made such a tape and then just left it in a house, even more difficult to imagine that the CIA or even the Afghan rebel forces would just stumble on to it. The CIA has offered no details as to the circumstances surrounding the tape’s discovery.
The video-taped confession is widely regarded as a fake. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| oh, osama doesn't believe in killing civilians and women and children? wow, you guys really will swallow anything :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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| colonelcrisp |
| well it makes sense since all the 911 truth videos on youtube are a fabrication by the CIA to root out IDIOTS from the american populace...... great success!!!NICE |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
well it makes sense since all the 911 truth videos on youtube are a fabrication by the CIA to root out IDIOTS from the american populace...... great success!!!NICE |
So are you actually trying to refute one of the particular videos or are you just arguing for the sake of argument?
I don't think that you can really group everyone in the "Truth Movement" just because they don't believe in the official story, anyway. I know a lot of people who are discontent with the lies and deception, who don't subscribe to my governments "official story" but that doesn't make all of them all "Truthers."
A few of them are well respected, local business owners, too - hardly some fringe group as you shills would like everyonwe to believe ;) |
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