Originally posted by culorut
Respect? You and the other trolls dismiss the people who where actually there at ground zero and hold the commission report like a bible.
Firefighters know fires, who better to ask about them then about the fires you ing moron.
Wait I know you rather hear it from a collection of morons who where put together to write up a report on limited data who where not at ground zero and where set up to fail from the beginning.
Go yourself you flake.
ps answer the question already you .
What percentage of firefighters agree with the view?
How many of those suffered mental stress due to 9/11?
Are human beings capable of lying subconsciously?
Trancer-X
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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I think it's fairly obvious why... you just stumbled upon this now? :conf:
Of course I can see the connection but at the same time I don't want to make any allegations because I know where that'll get me.
I forgot that I had it bookmarked :p
Trancer-X
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Originally posted by Fledz
What percentage of firefighters agree with the view?
How many of those suffered mental stress due to 9/11?
Are human beings capable of lying subconsciously?
Graeme MacQueen, Founding Director of the Centre for Peace Studies (McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario) reads testimony from New York Fire Dept. firefighters:
Firefighter Angel Rivera:
"When we hit the 19th floor, something horrendous happened. It was like a bomb went off. We thought we were dead. The whole building shook."
I thought that I saw...low level flashes...I saw flash-flash-flash, and then it looked like the building came down. You know like when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw."
"At first I thought it was... Do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear, 'pop-pop-pop-pop-pop'? That's exactly what, because I thought it was that, when I heard that frigging noise, that's when I saw the building coming down."
Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash kept popping, all the way around the building, and that building had started to explode."
The New York City Fire Department, under the direction of Fire Commissioner Tom Von Essen, collected the testimony of 503 first-responder EMTs, Port Authority police, and firefighters. It came to 12,000 pages. The 9/11 Commission, run by White House appointee and insider, Philip Zelikow, rejected the testimony, just ignored it, not germane to the foregone conclusion. Also, somewhat explosive.
MacQueen's statement was drafted for the Vancouver 9/11 Conference, June 22-24, 2007. Snowshoe Documentary films
I still am amazed to this day how American government has gotten away with this. Either way, either some agency / group did this, or the terrorists (with some help), but one thing for sure is that US government intentionally ignored intelligence and warnings and allowed this to happen. They failed to prevent the attacks. They failed to protect the country. And ever since, have made things worse for the American people and for the world's security and stability. Its madness. Look at the situation from Palestine to Iraq to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Situation has tremendously deterioated since before 9/11.
I posted on here before, glad that my posts are buried, but the point is that whether the government did it or not they still failed and they took the wrong actions, lied to people all over again on the whole reasons for ivading Iraq, gave faulty reports (how some terrorists who died then turned up alive), and so on. And in the end, they got away with everything. Its horrible.
Goodbye democracy and goodbye freedom. If the most democratically country in the world can suffer this, that means that the world's turn for democracy is now rapidly deteriorating. Laws are passed more and more all over to curb peoples freedoms, and other things like censorship of media and internet.
Some people are just retarded, I guess. Some are viciously defending the governments while they fail to grasp the bigger picture, the things that are REALLY at stake here. Its appalling. The evidence to convict the government and its agencies will never see the light, the videotapes that are CLEARLY showing the planes hitting the Pentagon will never be released (because they were destroyed), and plenty of things have been confiscated and the government-paid folks have talked and talked enough to draw even in this argument. You see, just like Fox News, government folks dont have to win the argument to get their point across. They can make up some crazy fake evidence and shift it to the cospiracy wing that has little to do with actual story and spin it and make the whole 9/11 thing look like a joke. And they have succeeded. And they will succeed again. Its ing disgusting.
pkcRAISTLIN
LOL at the conspiracy theorist calling other people "retarded".
seriously, you have ZERO evidence with which to support any of your claims so i must wonder why the youre bothering.
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
LOL at the conspiracy theorist calling other people "retarded".
seriously, you have ZERO evidence with which to support any of your claims so i must wonder why the youre bothering.
Yeah, the eyewitness reports (previous post by Trancer-X), eh ...
There will never be enough evidence for you to see to accept that it was some agency or secret group that did this. You just wont accept that the US government or the folks behind it can do something like this. Thats all.
Just curious, as western media has been saying it, do you conclude that the Russian government was behind attacks that brought down some apartment buildings in 1999 and blamed it on the terrorists to restart a war in Chechnya?
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
There will never be enough evidence for you
bull. im far more open-minded on this subject than you, and i am still waiting to be presented with any facts whatsoever.
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
You just wont accept that the US government or the folks behind it can do something like this. Thats all.
bull. i can accept any theory as long as it has a corresponding amount of evidence with which to support it. guess what? you don't! there isn't a single piece of evidence that points to government involvement (which isnt the same thing as government incompetence) so i must question your sanity/confirmation bias since you are so very sure about something you don't have any evidence to support.
in other areas of 'thought' i would call that religion.
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Just curious, as western media has been saying it, do you conclude that the Russian government was behind attacks that brought down some apartment buildings in 1999 and blamed it on the terrorists to restart a war in Chechnya?
its not something ive researched and has absolutely no bearing on 911.
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Yeah, the eyewitness reports (previous post by Trancer-X), eh
big ing deal. there are all kinds of conflicting reports made by eye witnesses, that's hardly a smoking gun. indeed you idiots ignore the eye witnesses that disagree with you, like the hundreds of people that saw a plane crash into the pentagon. instead, you parade your confirmation bias with idiotic nonsense like this:
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
the videotapes that are CLEARLY showing the planes hitting the Pentagon will never be released (because they were destroyed)
you have ZERO evidence there are any tapes showing the crash, and you have ZERO evidence that the government destroyed such tapes.
stop telling lies.
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
stop telling lies.
You're lying to yourself. Its not a lie if I dont believe in the government's cover-up of 9/11. Until the government releases ALL evidence and ALL videos from cameras that were seized (the least they can do), until all the questions are answered properly - this will always be a strong cover-up belief movement. Just look at the results of this poll - last time I checked, its not in your favour despite your 1,000,000 posts on this thread.
How much money are they paying you to do this?
I personally still hope the government releases the FULL videos (not just the dam photo edits) of the alleged planes hitting the Pentagon. From the gas station - the tape that was seized and not released, thats right - the gas station across from the Pentagon. Hundreds of cameras on the Pentagon and not a single one that can clearly show a plane hitting the Pentagon! WHAT A JOKE! Save your breath and dont bother posting the edited image frames ...
ANyways, why am I wasting my time feeding a troll? Are you a troll, pkc? Why are you still posting on this thread? Havent you HAD ENOUGH? We've heard your point loud and clear ... stop the bull.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
You're lying to yourself. Its not a lie if I dont believe in the government's cover-up of 9/11. Until the government releases ALL evidence and ALL videos from cameras that were seized (the least they can do)
funny you should say, coz one of your paranoid buddies has DONE JUST THAT (google is your friend). He is in the process of uploading all the 85 videos that he was given as part of a FOI request. Maybe you should go and see what the videos show before you start crying foul? Guess what- none of the additional videos show the plane hitting the building *shock horror* so, take your unsubstantiated BS elsewhere for crying out loud.
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
until all the questions are answered properly - this will always be a strong cover-up belief movement. Just look at the results of this poll - last time I checked, its not in your favour despite your 1,000,000 posts on this thread.
most questions HAVE been answered properly. its just people like you that have such a deeply-ingrained NEED to believe that think otherwise. and i couldn't give a about a flawed poll on an EDM forum. idiots like yourself that vote hardly constitute evidence.
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
How much money are they paying you to do this?
off and grow up.
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
I personally still hope the government releases the FULL videos (not just the dam photo edits) of the alleged planes hitting the Pentagon. From the gas station - the tape that was seized and not released, thats right - the gas station across from the Pentagon.
as above, learn to keep abreast of the topic if you want to debate it.
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Hundreds of cameras on the Pentagon and not a single one that can clearly show a plane hitting the Pentagon! WHAT A JOKE! Save your breath and dont bother posting the edited image frames ...
prove to me that the government has ANY other videos of the plane hitting the building. your childish assumptions don't cut it.
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
ANyways, why am I wasting my time feeding a troll? Are you a troll, pkc? Why are you still posting on this thread? Havent you HAD ENOUGH? We've heard your point loud and clear ... stop the bull.
too ing right i've had enough. i've had enough of you internet detectives with your flawed logic, naive assumptions and immature rhetoric. if you morons just left this thread alone i would feel no urge to post in it. alas you tards keep coming in here posting lies and distortions, like you have with your no-plane pentagon theory (which is one of the dumbest ideas ever).
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
prove to me that the government has ANY other videos of the plane hitting the building. your childish assumptions don't cut it.
Prove to me anything that I have that you dont know about. Makes more sense now?
And its not just this forum, the cover-up belief movement has strong support elsewhere... of course not everywhere, I mean, consider some conservative forum for example. I recall too many polls which show the strong scepticism of the government story.
After all the government explanation and huge effort to show everything so clearly and beautifully and with open arms "all" evidence and proof, why is there still a huge degree of scepticism? Or maybe its because we've been fooled and duped by the government before and after ... like the WMD's and Iraq-9/11 connection. Too dam many lies, and they got away with pretty much everything. Its OK even to lie on television.
Anyways, that does it for me on this thread for now ...
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Prove to me anything that I have that you dont know about. Makes more sense now?
what makes sense is that you have worked out a nice little theory in your paranoid brain and you don't have any evidence to support it.
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
And its not just this forum, the cover-up belief movement has strong support elsewhere... of course not everywhere, I mean, consider some conservative forum for example. I recall too many polls which show the strong scepticism of the government story.
who ing cares? i mean seriously. why do you guys give a about idiotic polls? why does the opinion of uneducated internet detectives of any merit whatsoever? im sure i could find many polls that show people believe in ghosts. big ing deal.
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
After all the government explanation and huge effort to show everything so clearly and beautifully and with open arms "all" evidence and proof, why is there still a huge degree of scepticism? You think people can get fooled so easily?
because people like yourself come up with the answers and then go looking for the evidence with which to support it. people like you have such confirmation bias that you ignore everything else and which is why you have been unable to answer my questions thus far. you have no evidence re the pentagon "no-plane" but you hold that belief strongly anyway. how on earth can people expect to argue with that disingenuous nonsense?
what i think is amazing is that you think a missile attack could be confused with a plane crash by forensic investigators, or that a missile could sneakily plant dead bodies of those known to be on flight 77. oh look, its that time again!
10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes
5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor.
Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.
Krypton
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Anyways, that does it for me on this thread for now ...
LOL, PKC smacked you down my friend.
As I've told colorut and trancer many times, you have no forensic or circumstantial evidence to support any of your claims. People heard explosives. Ok, I believe them. But there is no evidence to suggest these explosions were of bombs. Where are the bomb fragments? Explosives residue? Explosives team who set the explosives? That's only 3 of the most obvious holes in your decrepit conspiracy theory.
