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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 196)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
from ryan mackey, NASA scientist who wrote to the journal that steven jones' letter was published in.
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I received a reply from Mr. Alam to my reminder today, and it is not promising.
He decided to forward my complaints ... to the author of the paper.
I have informed him that, since the authors of dubious papers do not set the standards for journals, that his response is entirely inappropriate, and have reminded him that it is the editors who should be responding.
Thus far, only Mr. Alam has responded to anything, and it appears that he has no idea how real journals operate.
At this point, I am about 80 percent convinced that the Bentham Open Access Journals are merely a vanity publication. I do still have some doubt because there are a great many -- too many! -- professionals listed on their editorial board, and the few I've checked up on appear to be legitimate. I will be taking this discussion to them with or without Mr. Alam, and we will get to the bottom of this.
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Two replies last night, both of them from Mr. Alam. The first was a forwarded message from Dr. Steven Jones. As you can expect, he disagrees with my assessment. However, as I indicated above, this is an editorial matter, and there is absolutely no reason why a submitter should be responding or even weighing in on the issue. This is clear evidence of a broken peer review process.
The second reply, in Mr. Alam's own words, was a suggestion that I should instead be submitting my own paper in response. I have never before seen a scientific journal article whose abstract dealt with the editorial standards of the journal itself. Needless to say, this suggestion is unprofessional, and borderline insane.
Regardless of whether or not the paper ultimately gets retracted, we can now confidently state that the publishers are incompetent. This matter needs to be resolved independent of any concerns with Dr. Jones or his paper.
I have now informed the Editor in Chief, Dr. Dong-Sheng Jeng of the University of Dundee, of the situation. I remain hopeful that he was previously unaware of these problems and will take steps to rectify them. The alternative is most depressing. |
there you have it folks. a vanity journal that prints anything for your $600. they must be so proud. |
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| culorut |
Incredible the ignorance of you people....I guess you never bothered to read about operation Gladio. Cossiga knows better than billions of people on this planet of black ops.
Gladio (Italian, from Latin gladius, meaning sword) is a code name denoting the clandestine NATO "stay-behind" operation in Italy after World War II, intended to counter an eventual Warsaw Pact invasion of Western Europe. Although Gladio specifically refers to the Italian branch of the NATO stay-behind organisations, Operation Gladio is used as an informal name for all stay-behind organisations.
Operating in all of NATO[citation needed] and even in some neutral countries or in Spain before its 1982 adhesion to NATO, Gladio was first coordinated by the Clandestine Committee of the Western Union (CCWU), founded in 1948. After the creation of NATO in 1949, the CCWU was integrated into the Clandestine Planning Committee (CPC), founded in 1951 and overseen by the SHAPE (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe), transferred to Belgium after France’s official withdrawal from NATO in 1966 — which was not followed by the dissolution of the French stay-behind paramilitary movements. According to historian Daniele Ganser, one of the major researchers on the field, "Next to the CPC, a second secret army command center, labeled the Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC), was set up in 1957 on the orders of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander in Europe (SACEUR). This military structure provided for significant US leverage over the secret stay-behind networks in Western Europe as the SACEUR, throughout NATO's history, has traditionally been a US General who reports to the Pentagon in Washington and is based in NATO's Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) in Mons, Belgium. The ACC's duties included elaborating on the directives of the network, developing its clandestine capability, and organizing bases in Britain and the United States. In wartime, it was to plan stay-behind operations in conjunction with SHAPE. According to former CIA director William Colby, it was 'a major program'."[1]
The role of the CIA in sponsoring Gladio and the extent of its activities during the Cold War era, and its relationship to attacks perpetrated in Italy during the years of lead and other similar clandestine operations is the subject of ongoing debate and investigation. Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have had parliamentary inquiries into the matter.[2] The US State Department has denied involvement in terrorism and stated that some of the allegations and researchers, such as Ganser, have been influenced by what it and others describe as a Soviet forgery, US Army Field Manual 30-31B.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
I think the 80 year old man knows a hell of a lot more than you idiots. His experience and knowledge is what you should be paying attention too. When someone of this caliber tells you something maybe you should just listen instead of acting like children. |
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| culorut |
| quote: | | what cretinrot fails to understand is the "tongue in cheek" respect in which cossiga made these remarks. anyone with half a brain can tell cossiga is actually mocking the italian left, not actually making a claim that he believes (not that it matters). but cretinrot doesn't understand politics because he doesn't have much of an education. everything he learns is from idiot websites. |
No what I do fully understand is exactly what he is saying, I mentioned I am fluent in Italian. You are absolutely wrong in your waste of a post. I cannot help it if you are stupid and do not understand how to read posts properly where I already stated this.
If you are dumb you are dumb, that is just the way life is. Some people (you specifically) cannot be helped. This is why you cannot comprehend and just post bull on forums where you feel you are important. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
No what I do fully understand is exactly what he is saying, I mentioned I am fluent in spewing Bull . |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
No what I do fully understand is exactly what he is saying, I mentioned I am fluent in Italian. You are absolutely wrong in your waste of a post. I cannot help it if you are stupid and do understand how to read posts properly where I already stated this.
If you are dumb you are dumb, that is just the way life is. Some people (you specifically) cannot be helped. This is why you cannot comprehend and just post bull on forums where you feel you are important. |
i might be so inclined to believe that you are fluent in Italian as, clearly, you are not fluent in English. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
i might be so inclined to believe that you are fluent in Italian as, clearly, you are not fluent in English. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
No what I do fully understand is exactly what he is saying, I mentioned I am fluent in Italian. You are absolutely wrong in your waste of a post. I cannot help it if you are stupid and do understand how to read posts properly where I already stated this.
If you are dumb you are dumb, that is just the way life is. Some people (you specifically) cannot be helped. This is why you cannot comprehend and just post bull on forums where you feel you are important. |
Yes, so youre fluent in italian. Doesn't make up for the fact that your comprehension skills are sorely lacking.
What is cossiga talking about when he keeps referring to the italian left, as well as the video that was going to make an appearance "any day soon" ? You only see what you want to see, and the ONLY people that picked this up are the conspiracy loons.
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
i might be so inclined to believe that you are fluent in Italian as, clearly, you are not fluent in English. |
heehee! |
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| culorut |
And yet again another three or four posts from the usual suspects who cannot deny the facts presented but instead attack the individual.
At this rate you will convince all others who read this thread how incompetent you all are in debating and presenting facts. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
And yet again another three or four posts from the usual suspects who cannot deny the facts presented but instead attack the individual.
At this rate you will convince all others who read this thread how incompetent you all are in debating and presenting facts. |
Its because your arguments are beneath us, we're not here to debate you, we're here to mock and deride because that's all you deserve. Duh! |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
i might be so inclined to believe that you are fluent in Italian as, clearly, you are not fluent in English. |
Clearly you are not even good enough to prove that the engineering ring (which your parents probably paid for) around your dirty finger is enough to handle yet the most simple issues.
Are you sure you did not get it by buying it online off ebay jerkoff? |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Its because your arguments are beneath us, we're not here to debate you, we're here to mock and deride because that's all you deserve. Duh! |
Yes 181 61.56%
No 113 38.44%
Check your head again troll. You are failing.....miserably. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Incredible the ignorance of you people....I guess you never bothered to read about operation Gladio. Cossiga knows better than billions of people on this planet of black ops.
Gladio (Italian, from Latin gladius, meaning sword) is a code name denoting the clandestine NATO "stay-behind" operation in Italy after World War II, intended to counter an eventual Warsaw Pact invasion of Western Europe. Although Gladio specifically refers to the Italian branch of the NATO stay-behind organisations, Operation Gladio is used as an informal name for all stay-behind organisations.
Operating in all of NATO[citation needed] and even in some neutral countries or in Spain before its 1982 adhesion to NATO, Gladio was first coordinated by the Clandestine Committee of the Western Union (CCWU), founded in 1948. After the creation of NATO in 1949, the CCWU was integrated into the Clandestine Planning Committee (CPC), founded in 1951 and overseen by the SHAPE (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe), transferred to Belgium after France’s official withdrawal from NATO in 1966 — which was not followed by the dissolution of the French stay-behind paramilitary movements. According to historian Daniele Ganser, one of the major researchers on the field, "Next to the CPC, a second secret army command center, labeled the Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC), was set up in 1957 on the orders of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander in Europe (SACEUR). This military structure provided for significant US leverage over the secret stay-behind networks in Western Europe as the SACEUR, throughout NATO's history, has traditionally been a US General who reports to the Pentagon in Washington and is based in NATO's Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) in Mons, Belgium. The ACC's duties included elaborating on the directives of the network, developing its clandestine capability, and organizing bases in Britain and the United States. In wartime, it was to plan stay-behind operations in conjunction with SHAPE. According to former CIA director William Colby, it was 'a major program'."[1]
The role of the CIA in sponsoring Gladio and the extent of its activities during the Cold War era, and its relationship to attacks perpetrated in Italy during the years of lead and other similar clandestine operations is the subject of ongoing debate and investigation. Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have had parliamentary inquiries into the matter.[2] The US State Department has denied involvement in terrorism and stated that some of the allegations and researchers, such as Ganser, have been influenced by what it and others describe as a Soviet forgery, US Army Field Manual 30-31B.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
I think the 80 year old man knows a hell of a lot more than you idiots. His experience and knowledge is what you should be paying attention too. When someone of this caliber tells you something maybe you should just listen instead of acting like children. |
I really don't understand how this lends credence to the argument that a former President understands better than anyone else what happened in a foreign country twenty years after he ceased to be of any real importance.
I also really don't understand why this thread is still active - none of these "points" in favor of an alternate theory of 9/11 even make any coherent sense. |
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