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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 16)
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
why didnt they plant WMD in Iraq if they pulled of 9.11? |
Why would anyone want to plant WMD's in Iraq? |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by skot_e
Again what does this terminology mean? Obviuosly a put down, but please explain... |
a ludicrously false statement [syn: bull, bull, horse, , crap, bunkum, buncombe.
| quote: | Originally posted by skot_e
Perhaps too difficult with the world media, perhaps just lazy. maybe no spare WMD's lying around... I do agree they would have tried this if they felt it was necessary, but maybe they really did think they would find some stashed somewhere. |
Wait wait wait....planting VX nerve gas in the desert with no one around form hundreds of miles, no media nobidy is too difficult but bringing down 2 of the tallest buildings in world in the biggest city in the world during broad daylight with everyone watching isnt? Surely you jest.
There are always spare WMD.
So they went through all the planning and execution of 9.11 to get to Iraq but then felt it wasnt necessary to plant WMD? thats makes no sense...they made themselves looks like fools by not finding WMD.
It doesnt add up.
And dont you notice that no one of signifigance has backed up any of these theories...no one from Bin Ladens camp or from the Arab world...if they werent involved or at least acted in tandem they would LOVE to expose America for being behind 9.11...dont you find that a tad odd and make the conspiracy theories less realistic? |
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| skot_e |
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9/11: why it happened
is more important than how
Deep Politics of 9/11
Motivations for allowing 9/11 to happen
Create pretext to seize Middle East oilfields (to control Earth's oil supplies after Peak Oil) and enact "Homeland Security" police state
The attacks were allowed to happen to facilitate an aggressive policy of world empire, particularly in the Middle East and Central Asian oil fields, which contain energy supplies that will become even more critical in the near future as oil extraction declines in the non-Islamic world. (It has been said that the last two barrels of oil will be Saudi and Iraqi.)
The truth of 9/11 would cause major political shifts in our country, especially if many people dared to open up psychologically to the deceptions. It took decades for most people to understand that Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot President Kennedy, that there was a conspiracy to keep JFK from scaling back the Cold War -- but by then, domestic politics had shifted from civil rights and peace toward the so-called Reagan revolution. We don't have four decades for people to understand the truths of 9/11.
There is considerable circumstantial evidence that remote control software, not amateur flight school drop outs, was used to fly the plane into the mostly empty, under re-construction part of the Pentagon (and therefore, the World Trade Center as well), although this will probably never be proved 100% (just like the identities of the assassins of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King remain unknown - although the motivations of the government conspirators have been well documented). However, neither the corporate media conglomerates nor the foundation-funded "left alternative" media are interested in investigating what actually happened on 9/11, even though much of the "evidence" has been disproved or is extremely questionable at best. |
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Note the last paragraph I quoted |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Why would anyone want to plant WMD's in Iraq? |
Are you serious?
Listen let make this clear for you...for the LAST time...most consporacy theorists, if not ALL, beleive Bush had a part in 9.11 to go to war with Iraq...cus eventually he would go after them after Afghanistan...so if they did that to eventually end up in iraq why didnt they plant them to save face?
And if you do not think it was to plant them in Iraq, which i would find odd since all the sites u get yolur info from all point at the reason, then why were they behind 9.11? for fun? Now you beg a different question...why were they involved for what purpose? If not Iraq? |
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| skot_e |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Surely you jest.
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Jest I do.
There are always spare WMD.
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And dont you notice that no one of signifigance has backed up any of these theories...no one from Bin Ladens camp or from the Arab world...if they werent involved or at least acted in tandem they would LOVE to expose America for being behind 9.11...dont you find that a tad odd and make the conspiracy theories less realistic? |
While I agree with that, I also disagree in the fact that Osama and his cronies would probably like the world to believe they were responsible. I think they would be happy to have that notoriety.
I'm not suggesting here they are not responsible, i think they are, just given a reason why they'd not say they're innocent if they were. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by skot_e
MORE HERE
Note the last paragraph I quoted |
I have read all that before...nothing new. But i come back to planting WMDs in Iraq...that was an enormous plan compared to planting WMD dont you think?
It really is so silly to entertain this anymore without an answer to my question. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by skot_e
While I agree with that, I also disagree in the fact that Osama and his cronies would probably like the world to believe they were responsible. I think they would be happy to have that notoriety.
I'm not suggesting here they are not responsible, i think they are, just given a reason why they'd not say they're innocent if they were. |
I disagree...they would rather see America look like butchers of their own people by commiting 9.11 on its own citizens than take the rap for it...If the world ever found out for a FACT that the US government was involved or carried it out alone we would be finished and thatg would plase Bin Laden more...remember he hates us the most cus of our occupation of muslim land and we were exposed we surely would be kicked out of every country and he would get part of whatg he wants. |
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| Psygnosis |
tiesto14, as you can't answer a question, lemme just ask you this about why you asked why the CIA would do such a thing.
One thing you have to understand about American politics is that they have secrets, like many other nations.
Speaking of denials brought up, i just wanted to know that if you understand this.
-Saddam was trained under CIA
-Osama was trained under CIA
-Shah of Iran was taken to Exile and killed with Cyanide ordered by the British government.
-Ayotollah was brought in to lead Iran by the Americans.
-The british stole a diamond from Iran which is used for the crown of the queen, the diamond was the size of a soccer ball.
-The Iran-Iraq war was a devised plan from America to send both nations into war so they could make money. All the crap your fed to believe that Ayotollah wanted to strike at Iraq is false lies. Israel sold weapons to Iran, and America sold weapons to Iraq.
Now, did you know this? |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Are you serious? |
I thought you were.
| quote: | | most consporacy theorists, if not ALL, beleive Bush had a part in 9.11 to go to war with Iraq |
Hanging out in the gay bar saying you're not gay. Good one kiddo. Not only are you trying to debunk theories you're actually listening to them.
| quote: | | ...cus eventually he would go after them after Afghanistan...so if they did that to eventually end up in iraq why didnt they plant them to save face? |
I am not trying to make a connection with Iraq, Afghanistan and 9/11. There have been operatives that have ties to those subjects at hand but you have to actually do some reading into field reports and dossiers to understand. If the connections come up it is not my doing.
| quote: | | And if you do not think it was to plant them in Iraq, which i would find odd since all the sites u get yolur info from all point at the reason, then why were they behind 9.11? for fun? Now you beg a different question...why were they involved for what purpose? If not Iraq? |
I never implied that WMDs needed or had been planted. Why plant WMD's when you can claim they had some, invade, find none and claim bad intelligence. Oh wait they did that already.
This administration tried to tie Al-Qeada and Iraq together but recanted. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psygnosis
tiesto14, as you can't answer a question, lemme just ask you this about why you asked why the CIA would do such a thing.
One thing you have to understand about American politics is that they have secrets, like many other nations.
Speaking of denials brought up, ijust wanted to know that if you understand this.
Saddam was trained under CIA
Osama was trained under CIA
Shah of Iran was taken to Exile and killed with Cyanide by the British and American help.
Ayotollah was brought in to lead Iran by the Americans.
Now, did you know this? |
Yes...no one denys that...but training tyrants and villians is a lot different then cold blooded murder of innocent people going to work and on top of it all carried out by the US government...a lot different.
You seem to be diverting attention from the original arguement...typical conspiracy theorists attemepts to run away from a topic when they are getting stumped. |
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| skot_e |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
I disagree...they would rather see America look like butchers of their own people by commiting 9.11 on its own citizens than take the rap for it...If the world ever found out for a FACT that the US government was involved or carried it out alone we would be finished and thatg would plase Bin Laden more...remember he hates us the most cus of our occupation of muslim land and we were exposed we surely would be kicked out of every country and he would get part of whatg he wants. |
yeah good point. I guess both are possible. Who know's how the mind of a nutter like him really ticks eh? |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Hanging out in the gay bar saying you're not gay. Good one kiddo. Not only are you trying to debunk theories you're actually listening to them. |
um not sure what that means...but find a new line tou have used that one several times already.
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
I never implied that WMDs needed or had been planted. Why plant WMD's when you can claim they had some, invade, find none and claim bad intelligence. Oh wait they did that already. |
BINGO...because the looked foolish...u dont get it and i am not sure why...if they DID plant the WMD the world would accept the US invasion of Iraw a lot more then they do now and we would have a lot more people liking Bush...so why didnt Bush do that if he did 9.11? I am not sure why u dont understand what i am saying.
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
This administration tried to tie Al-Qeada and Iraq together but recanted. |
OK better yet....forget the WMD.. why didnt they plant evdidence that link Al-Qeada to Hussein in one of his palaces...then the wolrd would find the war was a legitimare attack on terror ...but they didnt and no one found much of anything...dont u see how silly it all is....he carried out 9.11 the biggest crime of all time against ones own people but couldnt plant some bull evidence? really come on.:rolleyes: |
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