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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 102)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when they felt and heard another explosion. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said.
http://911blogger.com/node/8212 |
i read the full article that story was pulled from, and there is nothing to suggest this occured BEFORE either tower collapsed. its just how the truth movement generates facts.
again, its interesting to see the over-reliance by the truth movement of stories written "in the heat of battle" so to speak, but ignore the fuller, more complete accounts that come out months later. |
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| culorut |
Still cannot find a fire that does the following to buildings I see....
Keep dodging. |
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| Marc Summers |
| Do you read? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
Do you read? |
its a fascinating study in self deception isnt it!
first, they ignore that everyone knew WTC7 was going to fall, which is why they pulled everyone out and cordoned off the area. they ignore the fact the building was bulging and groaning prior to collapse.
second, they argue that "a building has NEVER BEFORE fallen like this due to fire", yet ignore the fact that thermite has NEVER before been used in demolitions. for some reason the exact same argument doesn't resonate in their brain in the same way. honestly, the "a building has NEVER BEFORE fallen like this due to fire" argument is one of the dumbest and illogical ones going around, yet they don't even realise it! its like you are forced to doubt any "first occurences" of anything! where's the logic there? :haha:
and what i find the funniest, is that these internet detectives think that they somehow have a stronger grasp of the tragedy than all of the investigators, whose expertise is due to it being their profession! talk about arrogant :haha: |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Still cannot find a fire that does the following to buildings I see....
Keep dodging. |
That's a ing nuclear explosion. I don't care what the facts say |
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| shaolin_Z |
@ culorut: You're talking to some of the most conditioned and indocrinated sheep you'll ever come across, but don't let it discourage you. And don't sink to their level.
Feel free to rip on me PKC, you know I still love you bro :p. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
@ culorut: You're talking to some of the most conditioned and indocrinated sheep you'll ever come across, but don't let it discourage you. And don't sink to their level.
Feel free to rip on me PKC, you know I still love you bro :p. |
haha shaolin, the feeling is mutual.
i dont understand how im an indoctrinated sheep though man. i was burying myself in marx et al. whilst you were still popping pimples in your year 8 bathrooms :p
EVIDENCE shaolin, evidence is all im asking for. not half-baked poor non-sequitur statements. all i find it quote cherry-picking, completely invalid comparisons (empire state building etc) totally flawed logic (never ever happened before!) and terrible science (molten metal = explosives!).
if you have anything other than the above you know i am always happy to hear it :) |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
That was really uncalled for. |
You're in no position to say that as you haven't even bothered engaging in any real debate in this thread. Your condescending comments and ad hominems are what I would considered uncalled for. I didn't make that picture, and it's not an ad hominen attack on any participant in this thread. But it is hillarious as ! Jet fuel causing the buildings to "pancake" at virtually freefall speed, LOL. :stongue: I think I smell waffles coming from the ministry of information next :haha:, don't forget the maple syrup... err.. jet fuel. :rolleyes: |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
haha shaolin, the feeling is mutual.
i dont understand how im an indoctrinated sheep though man. i was burying myself in marx et al. whilst you were still popping pimples in your year 8 bathrooms :p |
Indocrinated by what exactly? The Loose Change culture and establishment that has been part of the social fabric and political climate for decades now :haha: ? The Loose Change kids have been in positions of power for ages now, including Alex Jones, Steven Jones, Webster Tarbley, Luitenant Colonel Bob Bowman, Scholars for 911 Truth, and a bunch of other people LOL. Yes, they have deep pockets, political and corporate connections. Please dude, that argument will NOT work for you :rolleyes: :D ;).
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
EVIDENCE shaolin, evidence is all im asking for. not half-baked poor non-sequitur statements. all i find it quote cherry-picking, completely invalid comparisons (empire state building etc) totally flawed logic (never ever happened before!) and terrible science (molten metal = explosives!).
if you have anything other than the above you know i am always happy to hear it :) |
There's plenty of evidence, you just "cherry pick" through it and only seem to trust sources along the establishment line. ;) [edit] LOL, we're going in circles again BTW. Fortunately you haven't started cursing yet :D. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
Do you read? |
Do you think? Critically? Have you ever taken a basic elementary logic course? Have you even studied basic newtonian physics? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Indocrinated by what exactly? |
haha, you paranoid freak you! :p i was referring to "Feel free to rip on me PKC, you know I still love you bro" ;)
so you can recant your silly argument you yourself created ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
There's plenty of evidence, you just "cherry pick" through it and only seem to trust sources much closer to the establishment than not. ;) LOL, we're going in circles again BTW. |
hehe, i am still yet to find anything even remotely compelling my friend. so much of the 9/11 arguments are born out of poor research or analysis, and in some cases outright dishonesty. it really doesn't have anything to do with "the establishment", even though i will acquiesce to the structural engineers' opinions, which i think is just sensible.
i have no idea who provides the information i refer to, and i dont have any particular biases (in this context). its a combination of a) manipulated or dishonest research by the 911 fraternity and b) the arguments and analysis from the opposing side i find to be much more compelling. i am perpetually on the edge of my seat for when the movement finds some actual evidence.
i know you dont find the fire + structural damage = collapse to be very compelling, but i am yet to see any hypothesis that comes close to explaining the events on that fateful day. honestly, the explosive argument raises a helluva lot more questions (that remain unanswered mind you) than they solve.
yours in anticipation,
pkc. |
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| way2hi |
| these people like to think they are not taken in by appearances and are smarter than the general public. shave and go home losers. |
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