Originally posted by Moongoose
How has this thread not died yet, ffs one would think that after 7 years people would realise that they are searching for something that isnt there and continue with their lives.
you would think, but apparently most truthers have no lives so they are still beating this dead horse. This thread should be closed and linked in PDD Classic Threads to serve as a lasting monument to their collective stupidity
dcougar99
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Originally posted by XaNaX
To me that picture he posted didn't look much like the outside of the Pentagon after the attack. From what I remember the outside of the Pentagon where the plane hit looked more like this:
that was after the collapse, this is before...
XaNaX
We've been through this many times before. Look at the picture of the WTC after the plane hit it. The hole is much smaller than what people "thought" an airliner would cause hitting a building, that is why initial reports were that a small plane had hit the WTC. Now you compare the hole created by a plane that was traveling 400mph and hit the aluminum and glass facade of the WTC with what happened at the Pentagon. The plane at the Pentagon was traveling 350mph when it slammed into the ground and slid into the Pentagon. The Pentagon's outer wall was newly renovated and is a two foot think reinforced limestone, concrete and steel wall. Still, the damage from the aircraft managed to penetrate all the way into the 3rd ring of the Pentagon.
This is not a cartoon show, airplanes don't punch perfect airplane sized holes in the side of a 24" concrete and steel wall. An airplane is not a solid steel battering ram. It is mostly made of aluminum and other very light materials that don't have the mass required to punch a hole in a reinforced wall like that.
Get over yourselves morons, where is the plane and its passengers if it didn't hit the Pentagon.
dcougar99
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Originally posted by XaNaX
This is not a cartoon show, airplanes don't punch perfect airplane sized holes in the side of a 24" concrete and steel wall. An airplane is not a solid steel battering ram. It is mostly made of aluminum and other very light materials that don't have the mass required to punch a hole in a reinforced wall like that.
Get over yourselves morons, where is the plane and its passengers if it didn't hit the Pentagon.
the what the fuk did this to the 3rd inner ring (C)??? something had the mass now didnt it!?!?
XaNaX
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Originally posted by dcougar99
the what the fuk did this to the 3rd inner ring (C)??? something had the mass now didnt it!?!?
I guess I should have worded my response better. What I was trying to say was that there is not enough mass in the wings of the airplane for you to see a nice neat outline of an airplane punched into the building. The majority of the damage was created by the mass of the fuselage, or rather what was left of it when the plane slammed into the ground and burst into flames. That is why you see that small hole in C ring rather than a massive hole the size of a plane. Obviously the further in the building you go, the smaller the hole is going to be because mass from the plane is lost as it comes into contact with parts of the building.
dcougar99
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Originally posted by XaNaX
I guess I should have worded my response better. What I was trying to say was that there is not enough mass in the wings of the airplane for you to see a nice neat outline of an airplane punched into the building. The majority of the damage was created by the mass of the fuselage, or rather what was left of it when the plane slammed into the ground and burst into flames. That is why you see that small hole in C ring rather than a massive hole the size of a plane. Obviously the further in the building you go, the smaller the hole is going to be because mass from the plane is lost as it comes into contact with parts of the building.
And what about the mass of the engines??? They didn’t create a hole in the outer wall... that’s a hell of a lot off mass not to create even a fraction of the damage of what you say went all the way to ring C. :rolleyes:
they must have had airbags installed on them… or something???
XaNaX
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Originally posted by dcougar99
And what about the mass of the engines??? They didn’t create a hole in the outer wall... that’s a hell of a lot off mass not to create even a fraction of the damage of what you say went all the way to ring C. :rolleyes:
they must have had airbags installed on them… or something???
If Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon where is the plane, all its passengers, and its crew? And how did the remains of the passengers and crew + airplane parts end up in the Pentagon wreckage?
When you have an answer for that with solid evidence to back it up come back and we'll talk.
dcougar99
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Originally posted by XaNaX
If Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon where is the plane, all its passengers, and its crew? And how did the remains of the passengers and crew + airplane parts end up in the Pentagon wreckage?
When you have an answer for that with solid evidence to back it up come back and we'll talk.
you didn’t answer me...
on another note..
What proof can you show me that they actually recovered the bodies, and plane!!! they found a few parts... and they don’t add up if you look at them...
Every plane that crashed in the past has been put back together in a hanger for investigation!!! Swamp, ocean, land... doesn’t matter where it crashed... they had been PUT BACK TOGETHER FOR INVESTIGATION!!! What about the 4 planes on 911???????
You think they would have done a proper investigation and put them back together!!! at least for the DC and PA planes!!!
Found the back boxes!!! Maybe… I guess I ask to many questions……
dcougar99
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Originally posted by XaNaX
If Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon where is the plane, all its passengers, and its crew? And how did the remains of the passengers and crew + airplane parts end up in the Pentagon wreckage?
When you have an answer for that with solid evidence to back it up come back and we'll talk.
some interesting points also...
At a September 12th Pentagon press conference, Ed Plaugher, fire chief of Arlington County, who had responsibility for the fire-fighting operations at the site, said in a news briefing: DoD
Question: Can you give us any sense of the area that was destroyed, how wide it is? How many feet? And did it break through to all five rings of the Pentagon?
Plaugher: It did not break through to all five rings, and I do not know the measurements.
Question: Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?
Plaugher: First all, the question about the aircraft, there are some small pieces of aircraft visible from the interior during this fire-fighting operation I'm talking about, but not large sections. In other words, there's no fuselage sections and that sort of thing.
He is also very vague about the recovery of bodies, usually a prime concern:
Question: Have you removed the bodies?
Question: Could you tell me how many bodies have been removed?
Plaugher: We have no information on any type of casualty or body counts at this time.
Question: By that you mean you haven't removed any bodies yet?
Plaugher: I will not say that, okay? But that whole process is being set up and is going to take some time. So again, that's not part of this briefing.
At the September 14th Pentagon press conference, James Schwartz, assistant chief, of the Arlington County Fire Department states: DoD
Question: Have they been able to tell you, when they got to that part, whether or not there were any, you know, recognizable elements that an aircraft itself had crashed into the building, or is it all pretty much vaporized? Are there are any -- is there a tail, is there a wing, is there anything there?
Schwartz: I certainly would not use the term "vaporized," but there's not a lot of the aircraft that is recognizable at all.
These DoD press conferences clearly state that they found no sizeable debris either in or around the point of entry. So the "official" story is that there were no significantly sized portions of the aircraft found such as fuselage sections left after the crash and subsequent fire.
At a September 15th Pentagon press conference, when Terry Mitchell is asked about the depth to which the plane penetrated the Pentagon, he states: DoD
Mitchell: It's more to the right of where we were at. This is the -- this is in a renovated section on the opposite side, if you were facing the opposite side. This is a hole in -- there was a punch-out. They suspect that this was where a part of the aircraft came through this hole, although I didn't see any evidence of the aircraft down there.
Question: Which area is that?
Mitchell: This is right inside the E Ring.
Question: Did you see any evidence of the aircraft anywhere?
Mitchell: Yes, I did. You could see just small pieces of it.
Question: Well, how far in?
Mitchell: Again, we're trying to figure out how it came into the building.
On Friday September 14th, Pentagon officials took about 75 reporters on a tour of the devastation -- and efforts already underway to rebuild it -- for the first time: DoD
"The plane approached the Pentagon about six feet off the ground, clipping a light pole, a car antenna, a construction trailer and an emergency generator before slicing into the building," said Lee Evey, the manager of the Pentagon's ongoing billion-dollar renovation.
The plane penetrated three of the Pentagon's five rings, but was probably stopped from going farther by hundreds of concrete columns. The plane peeled back as it entered, leaving pieces of the front of the plane near the outside of the building and pieces from the rear of the aircraft farther inside, Evey said.
Mr. Lee Evey, Pentagon Renovation Manager, said on Sept. 15:
The nose of the plane just barely broke through the inside of the C ring, so it was extending into A-E Drive a little bit. ... The airplane traveled in a path about like this, and the nose of the aircraft broke through this innermost wall of C ring into A-E Drive.
The problem here is that the nose cone of a Boeing 757 is made of carbon-fibre (like fibreglass); there is no metal nose cone on a 757. An average strength man (or strong woman) could make mincemeat of a 757 nose cone in about 15 minutes with nothing more than a light axe or a sledgehammer - the same cannot be said of the outer wall of the Pentagon. Punching through stone facade and 2 exterior concrete and brick walls, 4 or more interior poured concrete walls, and a poured concrete floor, to conveniently land front-and-center on a piece of board for photographers is out of the question.
In summary, the DoD claims:
the Boeing did a 4.5 g. turn to descend from 7500 feet in 1 1/2 minutes (even though the Boeing flight control software won't allow more than 1.5 g. turn),
hit the side of the Pentagon with pin-point-precision (even though the pilot Hani Hanjour couldn't even fly a Cessna)
where the wings peeled back so it could fit through an 8 m. hole (even though the Boeing is 13.6 m. high, 47.3 m. long, with a wingspan of 38 m. and a cockpit 3.5 m.)
leaving no significant debris outside (not even the 7 tonne engines which are mounted on shear-off bolts, and are largely made of titanium)
where that the entire plane and its contents was consumed by the fire (which would be the first time that has happened in aviation history, and would defy the laws of physics if the fire was caused by jet fuel.)
except for the nose (made of fiberglass) punched through a total of about 3-4 m. of steel reinforced concrete to conveniently land front-and-center on a piece of board for photographers.
Trancer-X
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Originally posted by XaNaX
The plane at the Pentagon was traveling 350mph when it slammed into the ground and slid into the Pentagon. The Pentagon's outer wall was newly renovated and is a two foot think reinforced limestone, concrete and steel wall. Still, the damage from the aircraft managed to penetrate all the way into the 3rd ring of the Pentagon.
This is not a cartoon show, airplanes don't punch perfect airplane sized holes in the side of a 24" concrete and steel wall. An airplane is not a solid steel battering ram. It is mostly made of aluminum and other very light materials that don't have the mass required to punch a hole in a reinforced wall like that.
Get over yourselves morons, where is the plane and its passengers if it didn't hit the Pentagon.
You said that it "slid" into the Pentagon. So why were there no marks on the lawn before they came in and layed down that heavy layer of dirt?
Trancer-X
Here's someone's personal site that has plenty of pics from the Pentagon on that day:
Originally posted by XaNaX
If Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon where is the plane, all its passengers, and its crew? And how did the remains of the passengers and crew + airplane parts end up in the Pentagon wreckage?
10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes
3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.
despite the collection of no-planer cretins, none of them have ever bothered to answer your question Xanax. 7 years and counting. must be a pretty hard question.
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Originally posted by dcougar99
What proof can you show me that they actually recovered the bodies, and plane!!! they found a few parts... and they don’t add up if you look at them...
there's plenty of proof. you just choose to ignore it. they matched almost all of the bodies from flight 77 via DNA. go look at the evidence from the Moussaoui trial ffs. note that your ilk havent been able to present evidence at any trial supporting your BS.
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Originally posted by dcougar99
Every plane that crashed in the past has been put back together in a hanger for investigation!!! Swamp, ocean, land... doesn’t matter where it crashed... they had been PUT BACK TOGETHER FOR INVESTIGATION!!! What about the 4 planes on 911???????
there werent any CRASH investigations on 911, duh. we know why the planes crashed. so why try to put them back together?
"no-plane" takes the cake as the stupidest theory about that day.
im still waiting on someone to explain their rationale for ignoring him. good luck liars.
