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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 95)
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
They shot Flight 93 down, thousands of pieces of the aircraft are scattered everywhere. No wonder they never played this footage again on TV. |
A missile hit won't make a plane basically vapourise into many small pieces. There will still be large pieces, the warheads on air-air missiles aren't that powerful.
Even if it sparked the fuel tanks off, which is possible it wouldn't cause the plane to break up into such small pieces with none large. The proof of that is the TWA mid-air explosion a few years back off Nova Scotia where faulty wiring caused the main fuel tank of a plane to explode (with more fuel on board than this plane). They still recovered a lot of quite large pieces.
If they did shoot it down - What about the phone calls from passengers on board saying they were going to do something to overpower the terrorists? Or i believe the flight recordings indicated that the passengers fought the hijackers in the cockpit.
Anyway, I think shooting down a hijacked plane after 3 others had been crashed into landmarks is pretty justifiable if it did happen. Doesn't go to prove any conspiracy theory |
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| culorut |
John Kerry agreeing that World Trade 7 was brought down in Controlled Demolition.
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| culorut |
| quote: | | Anyway, I think shooting down a hijacked plane after 3 others had been crashed into landmarks is pretty justifiable if it did happen. Doesn't go to prove any conspiracy theory |
If they lied about one plane then what about the other planes and information pertaining to 9/11. Would they lie about this information also? Probably.
There is no conspiracy theory because the official story is just utter bull. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
John Kerry agreeing that World Trade 7 was brought down in Controlled Demolition.
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wtf is wrong with you? honestly.
that video is nothing but lies.
"steven jones found thermate at ground zero" lie.
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Alex Jones, professional conspiracy theorist radio host, has said Jones found evidence of thermite. This isn't true. What Jones found was something which would have been in the debris pile anyway. Sulfur... |
(there is much more info here, but you wont read it anyway because you are incapable of assessing contrary viewpoints).
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"silverstein made a comment, saying they pulled the buildings down" lie.
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Silverstein's Quote:
"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
-Fact which is undisputed by either side, he was talking to the fire commander
-Fact which is undisputed by either side, both are not in the demolition business
Silverstein's spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified:
"In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building."
He could be lying, right? But here is the corroborating evidence...
"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out.
They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski |
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"silverstein made millions of dollars from the attacks" lie.
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Professional conspiracist and radio host Alex "New World Order” <http://nwobeastomfg.ytmnd.com/> Jones claims that Silverstein walked away with a profit of $500 million <http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html> after building 7’s insurer, Industrial Risk Insurers, paid its $861 million policy!
This shouldn’t need to be said, but the fact that IRI didn’t dispute the $861 million claim should make it perfectly clear that Silverstein didn’t “admit” to destroying his building.
And lest you think that IRI’s management somehow benefited by turning a blind eye to Silverstein’s “crime,” consider that IRI did contest Silverstein’s lawsuit over his Twin Towers insurance claim.
No. Insurance companies have a funny way of making sure that insured parties don’t destroy their skyscrapers, collect the claims, and drive into the sunset with a truckload of cash. A clause in Silverstein’s WTC 7 policy required him to begin rebuilding within two years, and lenders required that the new building have as much square footage as the old (and they complained mightily when the plans came up short in that department). The cost of the new building? Over $700 million.
Hey, that still leaves Silverstein with a tidy profit of around $161 million, right?
No. There was the small matter of the existing $489.4 million mortgage, which Silverstein paid off with the insurance settlement, leaving him with a shortfall of $328 million heading towards construction of the new building.
The City of New York, desperate to see rebuilding begin downtown, saved Silverstein a bundle in financing costs by offering over $400 million in tax-exempt Liberty Bonds, which the Bank of New York guaranteed.
That move gave Silverstein and his backers the freedom to do something unheard of in recent New York real estate history: start construction of a skyscraper without a major (or minor) tenant on board. And when the building opened in 2006? Still no major tenants. |
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and all of kerry's comments are prefaced with an "i dont really know" or "i havent heard that".
you are a sad little child that doesn't even understand the basics of this issue to make an informed decision. you open your mouth and swallow virtually any unsubstantiated nonsense thats flown around in the last 6 years. your commitment to finding the truth is an absolute ing joke. |
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| culorut |
Kerry's wife looks pretty nervous to me and Kerry did say that WTC7 was brought down in a controlled fashion after he was asked the question.
PKC shut the up already. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Kerry's wife looks pretty nervous to me and Kerry did say that WTC7 was brought down in a controlled fashion after he was asked the question.
PKC shut the up already. |
LOL. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Kerry's wife looks pretty nervous to me and Kerry did say that WTC7 was brought down in a controlled fashion after he was asked the question.
PKC shut the up already. |
oh i see! so kerry somehow knows something that could have changed his election chances, but instead decided to stay silent on the government's mass murder of its own civilians?
you are a ing moron with no experience in the real world.
whats really sad is your real inability to put all the "information" you post in its proper context. do you go to school at all? seriously, you need some serious adult intervention to help you with your deep intellectual problems.
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
LOL. |
i dont know what the youre laughing about. considering the poor child is perpetuating the same fallacious bull you yourself have been called on previously. the same lies, the same flawed logic.
the only reason the conspiracies still exist is because some morons fail to understand even the basic concerns that the conspiracy theories raise, and you all fail to address the larger problems your paranoid fantasies create. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i dont know what the youre laughing about. considering the poor child is perpetuating the same fallacious bull you yourself have been called on previously. the same lies, the same flawed logic. |
LOL, calm the heck down dude :D. No, you haven't called me on jack. All you did was quote "debunking" 9-11 websites, popular mechanics, and other such garbage. You disagreed, never once did you prove a thing or convine me of anything. I stopped debating this topic with you specifically because of this reason, and because you'd get so emotionally involved in propagating the goverment's conpiracy theory, that you'd eventually resort to insluting me instead of arguing your point.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the only reason the conspiracies still exist is because some morons fail to understand even the basic concerns that the conspiracy theories raise, and you all fail to address the larger problems your paranoid fantasies raise. |
Umm... you're the one who can't grasp basic newtonian physics, not me ;). |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
first off, a lot of the stuff i quoted i quoted in its entirety to avoid possible "cherry-picking" of facts that your ilk are so famous for ;) secondly, those pieces i did cut & paste were written in a far better manner than i am capable of doing. yes, im not a scientist but VERY LITTLE of anything i posted was of any complicated science at all.
oh and finally, if mr jones' hypothesis of laws of momentum in the tower's collapses is so scientifically sound, why has his paper STILL not received peer review? until that happens your side has exactly nothing at its foundation.
there hasnt been ANY scientifically reviewed work that supports your position, so you can lecture me on newton all you like and its still garbage.
i am more than happy to accept the opinions of the real experts in all of this, the structural engineers, because i readily admit the complexities of the towers' collapses are beyond my ability to analyse. there are plenty of other aspects to 9/11 that i DO grasp tho ;) |
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| culorut |
| quote: | | LOL, calm the heck down dude . No, you haven't called me on jack. All you did was quote "debunking" 9-11 websites, popular mechanics, and other such garbage. You disagreed, never once did you prove a thing or convine me of anything. I stopped debating this topic with you specifically because of this reason, and because you'd get so emotionally involved in propagating the goverment's conpiracy theory, that you'd eventually resort to insluting me instead of arguing your point. |
PKC seems to do this with everyone, it's because he knows he is full of and resorts to attacks. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
PKC seems to do this with everyone, it's because he knows he is full of and resorts to attacks. |
actually, its because im intolerant of disingenuous statements with little or no thought behind them. ive been asking valid questions re 9/11 (in this very thread) for a couple of years now, and none of you EVER provide adequate explanations. you cling to the most ridiculous notions and ignore all common sense.
where's your explanation for kerry not denouncing bush for the attacks if you so readily believe he knew WTC7 was demolished by the government? go on, humour me. |
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| culorut |
Humor you? you are humoring me you ****.
off already. |
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